From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V4 #64 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Saturday, May 11 2002 Volume 04 : Number 064 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: b/seeing red [GHighPine@aol.com] Re: b/seeing red [meredith ] Re: b/seeing red [Joseph Zitt ] RE: b/seeing red ["Karin Rabe" ] RE: a/Double or Nothing ["Karin Rabe" ] RE: b/seeing red [Todd Huff ] Re: b/seeing red [Joseph Zitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:51:43 EDT From: GHighPine@aol.com Subject: Re: b/seeing red In a message dated 5/9/02 4:47:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, meth@smoe.org writes: << Y'know, I thought the demon in the previews looked familiar!!! I bet you're exactly right. >> THERE WERE NO PREVIEWS ON MY CHANNEL!!!! WHAT WAS IN THE PREVIEWS????? Gayle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:30:12 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: b/seeing red Hi, Gayle posted: > THERE WERE NO PREVIEWS ON MY CHANNEL!!!! WHAT WAS IN THE PREVIEWS????? Here's what I remember: (If anyone is so spoiler-allergic that they don't even watch the previews, delete now) - -- Willow, who appears to still be sitting over Tara's body, is talking to a demon in a black cloud on the ceiling who looks like Anya's mentor. He says something to her like "this cannot be done". - -- Paramedics surround Buffy, while Xander looks on in shock. - -- Dawn sees Tara lying on the floor and freaks out. - -- Buffy and Xander chase after Willow, who has the Lyta Alexander eyes she ended the last episode with (sorry for the _Babylon 5_ reference, but it fits). She is doing something in front of a bus (I forget what), and Buffy yells something like "Stop" and with literally a flick of a finger, Willow sends both Buffy and Xander flying. - -- Warren sits tied up in what looks like the woods. His lips are sewn shut, and he is sobbing. Shot of Willow crouching in front of him going "shhhhhhh". Shot of Buffy looking aghast, saying "What have you done?!" Only four more days (but I'll be at Xena Night, so five more days for me ... )! ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html =======Next Up: Jessica Weiser 5/12/02======== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:45:21 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: b/seeing red On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 11:30:12PM -0400, meredith wrote: > -- Buffy and Xander chase after Willow, who has the Lyta Alexander eyes she > ended the last episode with (sorry for the _Babylon 5_ reference, but it > fits). IIRC, the company that did Babylon 5's makeup and prosthetics, Optic Nerve, also does Buffy's. I've noticed a lot of similarities in their alien/demon designs, and also the Lyta/Willow eye thing. - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:22:27 -0400 From: "Karin Rabe" Subject: RE: b/seeing red - ---Karin Like Gayle, I was also struck by the irony of the use of a gun on Buffy for the first time. But what struck me most in this episode, and no one has commented on, was Buffy's very un-slayerlike resistance to Spike's attempts to force sex on her. Only at the very end of the painfully drawn out struggle does she pull out enough stops to get away from him, and the major bruise on her thigh makes no sense at all when you contrast that scene with her later struggle with superWarren, where she gets knocked all over the place without any visible damage or effect. Which is invariably the case in her fight scenes. Clearly the writers wanted the attempted rape scene to work on a different emotional level from her other fight scenes with Spike, but can we really buy the bruise? I'm not sure what Spike takes off in search of, since the chip doesn't actually prevent him from attacking Buffy anymore. Although there was some indication that he now wants to believe it's responsible for his =feelings= for Buffy. If he does get it removed and discovers the feelings are unchanged, it will certainly be interesting to see how he deals with =that=! - ---Karin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:22:28 -0400 From: "Karin Rabe" Subject: RE: a/Double or Nothing The BIG disappointment for me in the episode featuring Cordy's return was her HAIR! What was Charisma thinking??? It was already too short, and no WAY does fake blonde suit her!! - ---Karin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:26:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Huff Subject: RE: b/seeing red - --- Karin Rabe wrote: > ---Karin > > Like Gayle, I was also struck by the irony of the > use of a gun on Buffy > for the first time. But what struck me most in this > episode, and no one > has commented on, was Buffy's very un-slayerlike > resistance to Spike's > attempts to force sex on her. Only at the very end > of the painfully > drawn out struggle does she pull out enough stops to > get away from him, > and the major bruise on her thigh makes no sense at > all when you > contrast that scene with her later struggle with > superWarren, where she > gets knocked all over the place without any visible > damage or effect. > Which is invariably the case in her fight scenes. She'd hurt her back fighting the vampire earlier (the great "That was rhetorical!" line). She heals quickly, but not that quickly. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 01:35:26 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: b/seeing red I noticed something unusual in reading the shooting script (at http://studiesinwords.de/shooting/seeingred1.html ). Unlike most of the other scripts I've read there, this one's full of "OMITTED", which I guess means that a lot of scripted scenes didn't make it to the produced episode. I wonder if the episode was running very long, or if they decided that whatever the scenes were got in the way and were cut for impact. And yeah, now that Karin mentions it, the bruise, while used effectively, does seem implausible. - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V4 #64 ****************************