From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V4 #24 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Sunday, February 24 2002 Volume 04 : Number 024 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Responses to Dawn and Don ["Karin Rabe" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:39:30 -0500 From: "Karin Rabe" Subject: RE: Responses to Dawn and Don Dawn, re your response to my >I.e., the two statements seem a bit contradictory.: "They sure do, because I forgot to put in the word that would make sense of them: only. Spike is oversimplifying his case by insisting that they are only of the night, not the day; that Buffy's alienation from her friends is fundamental and (he implies) permanent; and that all of Buffy's reluctance to accept his arguments comes from her need to deny the truth, as opposed to the perception that sometimes Spike is right and sometimes he's wrong about her (and himself.)....an either/or choice between light and dark (or creamy and crunchy) won't work for either of them, and if he keeps presenting it that way, Buffy will always feel that she's acting wrongly when she agrees with Spike." Point taken. Spike does indeed oversimplify/overstate his case, making it easier for her to continue resisting what's valid in it. I'm sure some of that is due to =his= reluctance to recognize that Buffy and Dawn have weakened his own identification with the dark, but perhaps he also sees Buffy's denial of her dark side as so vehement that he has to "shout", exaggerate or overstate, to be heard at all. And I don't really see him as ever having been entirely wrong about her -- though I agree he's far less reliably in touch with himself! (One of the most human things about him. :) We're not really in disagreement even about Buffy's quoting Spike's "You always hurt the one you love": you say "I thought her expression was one of ironic but sober acknowledgement of what she'd done," and that's entirely possible. I'm just not sure she's ready to =hold that thought= and deal with the implications of it yet. Your closing "digression" was delightful. :) - ---Karin ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V4 #24 ****************************