From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V4 #17 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Tuesday, February 12 2002 Volume 04 : Number 017 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: b/ASH [GHighPine@aol.com] Re: b/ASH [GHighPine@aol.com] Re: b/ASH ["Marta Grabien" ] Re: b/state of [Dawn S Friedman ] Re: b/state of [Todd Huff ] Re: b/state of [Dawn S Friedman ] Re: b/state of [meredith ] Re: b/state of ["Marta Grabien" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:04:13 EST From: GHighPine@aol.com Subject: Re: b/ASH He played the Taster's Choice commercials with an American accent, and talked at the con about the expert dialect coaches they had working with him on that. Gayle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:13:50 EST From: GHighPine@aol.com Subject: Re: b/ASH And speaking of British accents, anyone ever see Frasier? It might not be a shock that the Manchester accent that the British actress uses is not her own accent, but what IS a shock (was to me, anyway) is that the actor who plays Frasier's father IS from Manchester, his American accent is fake, HIS real accent is the accent that HER character uses, and he is her dialect coach! Gayle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:02:04 -0800 From: "Marta Grabien" Subject: Re: b/ASH but what IS a shock (was to me, anyway) is that the actor who > plays Frasier's father IS from Manchester, his American accent is fake, HIS > real accent is the accent that HER character uses, and he is her dialect > coach! > Now that i a surprise. I thought Father was American. That is a good accent! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:42:49 -0500 (EST) From: Dawn S Friedman Subject: Re: b/state of Um... I don't think the only reason all the sex feels good is that it's fulfilling a self-mutilation compulsion. I kind of got the impression that it's really great sex. And what's kinky about what they're doing, aside from their choice of partner? They're probably playing rougher than most people could handle, but they seem to wake up the next day with nothing worse than a few bruises and hickeys. I think what's making Buffy freak is that these games are perfectly reasonable... if you trust someone. What she's letting Spike do to her isn't really the whips and chains -- is anyone who watches TV scared of a pair of handcuffs? This is sitcom territory! -- it's the letting him in. (As for Spike never having been with such an animal, do we know that he's been with anyone but Dru and Harmony? He was almost blushing himself!) dsf Dawn Sharon Friedman dsf@world.std.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:52:48 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Huff Subject: Re: b/state of > And what's kinky about what they're doing, aside > from > their choice of partner? They're probably playing > rougher than most people could handle, but they seem > to wake up the next day with nothing worse than a > few bruises and hickeys. > > I think what's making Buffy freak is that these > games > are perfectly reasonable... if you trust someone. > What she's letting Spike do to her isn't really the > whips and chains -- is anyone who watches TV scared > of a pair of handcuffs? This is sitcom territory! > -- > it's the letting him in. > I don't think handcuffs are scary, but I don't see how they can't be considered kinky. Having public sex (while watching your friends) where you might be discovered is pretty much as kinky as you can get. Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:06:36 -0500 (EST) From: Dawn S Friedman Subject: Re: b/state of All right, I guess handcuffs are kinky, though not scary; what I meant is that it isn't the kink but the issues at the root of it that are scary. (Which is where the kink comes from, of course; but it's obscured by the nervous laughter it gets in most TV treatments.) Public sex is a pretty common kink, but what makes it "as kinky as you can get" is, I think, the context of the relationship. For some couples it would be a harmless thrill; for Spike it's a lesson he hopes to teach Buffy, and for Buffy it's an illustration of alienation. I still wonder how right either of them is about that. I don't think the Slayer belongs to the dark; I think she's a bridge between light and dark. Being a bridge is uncomfortable and lonely (echoes of Robin McKinley's Luthe here) and Spike would like to place both of them firmly on the side of night. He wants Buffy with him out of protectiveness as well as simple greed. But it isn't that easy for either of them, no matter what they wish. dsf Dawn Sharon Friedman dsf@world.std.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:53:12 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: b/state of Hi, Dawn posted: >I think what's making Buffy freak is that these games >are perfectly reasonable... if you trust someone. >What she's letting Spike do to her isn't really the >whips and chains -- is anyone who watches TV scared >of a pair of handcuffs? This is sitcom territory! -- >it's the letting him in. This is an excellent point. When Spike pulled out the handcuffs and asked, "don't you trust me?" her response was a barely audible, completely unbelievable "never". Like it or not, Buffy *does* trust Spike. She never would have let him babysit Dawn last year when Glory was on the prowl if she didn't. The fact that she does trust him is driving her crazy. >(As for Spike never having been with such an animal, >do we know that he's been with anyone but Dru and >Harmony? He was almost blushing himself!) Another good point, especially since we now know what a fop he was before he became a vampire... ======================================= Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ======================================= Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://www.smoe.org/meth/muzak.html ======================================= (: New England Patriots - Super Bowl XXXVI CHAMPIONS :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:16:31 -0800 From: "Marta Grabien" Subject: Re: b/state of Tonights rerun was when Parker dumped Buffy. Her fears of being inadequate were eloquent. Spike has demonstrated that he will not leave her, no matter what. Everyone she loves has left her, in her estimation. Angel, mother, Parker, Captain Cardboard. Willow is off with her own misery, Zander is off with his love. Dawn is growing up and is rejecting her. And, as has been pointed out, I bet the sex is great. As for the handcuffs, we have only seen Spike wearing them, I think. ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V4 #17 ****************************