From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V3 #171 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Sunday, November 4 2001 Volume 03 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- b/scriptsite! ["Donald G. Keller" ] Re: b/scriptsite! ["Marta Grabien" ] Re: b/scriptsite! ["David S. Bratman" ] b/Willow & Tara & Xander & Anya ["David S. Bratman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:38:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: b/scriptsite! (Shhh! Don't tell UPN or Fox!): www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/shooting This is, I believe, the same site that we had found a few months ago, and which was more recently pulled down. This version is in Germany, which may preserve it longer; on the other hand, I stumbled across it during a relatively routine Google search, so it's not that hard to discover. It lacks the scripts that have been officially published (and the original site, which I also looked into, says that Season 2 Volume 2 is due out in December), but has everything else (a few are selected scenes only). This includes Season 6 of Buffy (through "Flooded") and all three seasons of =Angel= (up through "Fredless). It's fun to read through stuff and find lines that were cut, and little emphases in the stage directions. This is a valuable research resource; if I had the computer power, I'd probably download it all and secret it all away on a blind web page, and hand out the url by word-of-mouth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:21:02 -0800 From: "Marta Grabien" Subject: Re: b/scriptsite! > www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/shooting > > This is, I believe, the same site that we had found a few months ago, and > which was more recently pulled down. No, there was another site that was closed down. I have put most of the sccripts on a zip disk. I don't have the season 1 or the first half of season 2 on disk, but I do have them in the shooting scripts. You can buy them online at Amazon.com. If you go thru the psyche site she gets credit and it helps her support the site itself. They have tidbits that are not shot, or are in a different sequence. Also, some of the discriptions of the action are a riot. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 21:27:30 -0800 From: "David S. Bratman" Subject: Re: b/scriptsite! In the past I've been using as reference the same person's transcript page, http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/buffy.html These are not copies of scripts, but attempts by various transcribers to copy into words what actually appears on the air. They're quite good, they usually come up within a couple weeks of airing, and they go all the way back to square one. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 22:18:24 -0800 From: "David S. Bratman" Subject: b/Willow & Tara & Xander & Anya The messages on interpersonal relationships in BTVS have been going by too fast for me to try to respond to directly, so I'll lay out my take here. When they're not fighting, Willow and Tara seem to me to be an ideal couple, and it seems to me the actors portray this well. I miss Oz, but Tara has been a good match for Willow. They're sympatico, they generally fit together well, and even their arguments have the true ring of a loving couple's arguments. The way they peacefully snuggle up together in bed seems the essence of warm romance to me, but then what do I know? I'm merely a happily married man. Apart from Willow's lately going psycho, and Tara's alarm over it, then, their relationship seems much healthier to me than Xander and Anya's. This is a couple who really have little in common besides a shared interest in sex, and to my mind that's not only an insufficient basis on which to build a marriage, it's a cold and inhuman one. (If they were my friends I'd never put it that way, but since they're fictional characters I can say what I really think.) No wonder Xander remains nervous. I certainly agree with those who say that Willow is setting herself up for a major fall, uh, professionally. The first rule of magic is that it always costs something, and Willow is piling up a far greater debt spiritually than Buffy ever did financially. It has to come due, one way or another, and she'd better be in deep do-do when it does. I'm still dissatisfied with the way that Buffy's return was handled, but given that it was handled that way, the follow-up has been good. I disagree, though, that Buffy seems permanently changed. Indeed, after the excessively dire season opener, almost everything that's come since has been amazingly, almost shockingly, light and chipper. Not necessarily from the characters' viewpoints, but from the viewer's. The Three Amigos in particular are a hoot. (Sorry, I don't remember offhand any of the clever names invented for them: this is the best name I can come up with offhand.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 22:18:50 -0800 From: "David S. Bratman" Subject: m/Vega to Tormis Donald - I'm not sure if you're still listening to either Tori Amos or Suzanne Vega, but I note that both of them have new albums out. Amos expired for me somewhere between her second and third albums, but I'm still following Vega, so I bought =Songs in Red and Gray=, as it's called. Vega was recently divorced from Mitchell Froom, her keyboardist and producer who may have been responsible for her previous two albums being somewhat sub-par - certainly I liked this one better. The tunes struck me on first hearing to be a little drab (that may change on further acquaintance), but the arrangements are really fine. So are the lyrics, and I like the sting in this one: "Consider me a widow, boys, and I will tell you why / It's not the man, but the marriage, that was drowned." Ooh. Most interesting new minimalist music listening experience: "How Can I Recognize My Home?" by the Estonian composer Veljo Tormis. Two sopranos, singing antiphonally, with exceedingly spare piano accompaniment, sing the same simple two-bar phrase over and over for five minutes. (The words are in Estonian, of course.) The description makes it sound tedious, but it's riveting - that's the definition of minimalism, isn't it? It's on a choral album of his called "Litany to Thunder", which I didn't buy because I wasn't as immediately impressed with the other works on it. (I was trying to listen to all this at a Tower listening station while duets between Ella "whoops, I lost the tune" Fitzgerald and Louis "let's sing like a frog" Armstrong blared over the sound system.) "How Can I Recognize My Home?" sounded a lot like Aulis Sallinen's vocal music, except for being far more minimalist than anything Sallinen would do; but otherwise - as one might guess from the album title - Tormis seems to have been taking lessons from Jon Leifs, who is not exactly my favorite Scandinavian composer. ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V3 #171 *****************************