From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V3 #157 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Friday, October 12 2001 Volume 03 : Number 157 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Buffy--episode 2 [Kathleen Dalton-Woodbury ] RE: Buffy--episode 2 ["Karin Rabe" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:33:41 -0600 From: Kathleen Dalton-Woodbury Subject: Buffy--episode 2 Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel that I must congratulate Joss on coming up with an even more heart-wrenching and poignant way than ever before to make Buffy suffer. Wow! Reminds me a little of the Thomas Covenant thing about how to hurt someone who's lost everything--give her back something broken--only Joss has topped even that. I say again, Wow! Phaedre/Kathleen workshop@burgoyne.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:16:21 -0400 From: "Karin Rabe" Subject: RE: Buffy--episode 2 Yes, "Wow!" was my main reaction, as well. :) And having her tell Spike, whom she can be "alone" with much to his chagrin, yet whom alone she trusts not to tell the others, was a brilliant touch. Actually, I was waiting for some such revelation (for us) through much of the episode. Buffy's unhappiness at being brought back didn't surprise me; what did, was everyone else's -- especially Willow's -- assumption that she ought to be thrilled! I know only Dawn heard her farewell speech before she jumped, but still, you'd think the others would have some awareness of how trapped Buffy had felt by the diminishing returns of her life as slayer. Bringing Buffy back clearly wasn't done for her sake, but for their own. Although I guess that kind of recognition is never easy. Willow's reference to the torments of hell Angel had to endure before being brought back was truly puzzling, however: considering everything Buffy had done before she died, why would anyone expect =her= to be in hell? The operating assumption seemed to be that Glory had control not just over Buffy's fate but over her spiritual status, even beyond the grave! And does anyone think Giles is really coming "right back"? - ---Karin > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-stillpt@smoe.org [mailto:owner-stillpt@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Kathleen Dalton-Woodbury > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:34 PM > To: stillpt@smoe.org > Subject: Buffy--episode 2 > > > Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel that I must > congratulate Joss on coming up with an even more heart-wrenching and > poignant way than ever before to make Buffy suffer. Wow! > > Reminds me a little of the Thomas Covenant thing about how to hurt someone > who's lost everything--give her back something broken--only Joss > has topped > even that. > > I say again, Wow! > > Phaedre/Kathleen > workshop@burgoyne.com ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V3 #157 *****************************