From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V3 #47 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Sunday, March 18 2001 Volume 03 : Number 047 Today's Subjects: ----------------- the body [Kathleen Dalton-Woodbury ] Re: the body [meredith ] Re: the body [GHighPine@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:06:04 -0700 From: Kathleen Dalton-Woodbury Subject: the body I keep meaning to ask about something. When the doctor came back from the morgue after examining Joyce, he told Buffy that she hadn't suffered, that it had been quick, etc, etc, etc, and then I heard him say something like "I'm lying to you to make you feel better" while I saw his lips moving to say different words. Did I see and hear correctly? (No one else has mentioned this.) Wasn't there something like this in "Restless?" In Xander's dream, where what people said didn't match what their mouth movements looked like they were saying? (Or was it just that their mouths didn't move?) Has this happened elsewhere in the series, and has it happened often? (I haven't been watching from the start, so I ask because I don't know.) Is there some deep significance, other than Josh showing us what the point of view character really thinks is being said, or wants to think is being said, or some such. (I don't think that quite makes sense because in the incident in "The Body" I described above, Buffy didn't react as if that's what she thought the doctor was really saying. So who is supposed to have really heard that--just the viewers?) Phaedre/Kathleen workshop@burgoyne.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:41:37 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: the body Hi, Kathleen inquired: >When the doctor came back from the morgue after examining Joyce, he told >Buffy that she hadn't suffered, that it had been quick, etc, etc, etc, and >then I heard him say something like "I'm lying to you to make you feel >better" while I saw his lips moving to say different words. > >Did I see and hear correctly? (No one else has mentioned this.) Yes, you did. Throughout the episode, we kept getting glimpses into Buffy's state of mind at the moment. It started with the flashback to Christmas, which was what popped into Buffy's head in her moment of shock. Then later on, we saw Buffy fantasizing that her mom would wake up and everything would be all right. When the doctor appeared to say "I'm lying to you to make you feel better", that's what Buffy was thinking at the time. At that point we had already been set up to realize that Buffy, as she usually does is thinking that if she had only been there, she could have saved her mother. So naturally, when the doctor tells her there's nothing she could have done, she's not going to believe it. ======================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ======================================= http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:41:44 EST From: GHighPine@aol.com Subject: Re: the body In a message dated 3/17/2001 10:06:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, workshop@burgoyne.com writes: << in the incident in "The Body" I described above, Buffy didn't react as if that's what she thought the doctor was really saying. So who is supposed to have really heard that--just the viewers?) >> It wasn't what the doctor was actually saying, it was the subtext that Buffy imagined. Gayle ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V3 #47 ****************************