From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V3 #18 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Thursday, February 8 2001 Volume 03 : Number 018 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: b/driving [allenw ] Re: b/dawn the key ["David S. Bratman" ] b/ben@dawn ["Donald G. Keller" ] Re: help? ["marta grabien" ] Re: b/dawn the key [Todd Huff ] Re: o/jung codex [meredith ] Re: b/dawn the key [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:31:33 -0600 (CST) From: allenw Subject: Re: b/driving On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Donald G. Keller wrote: > Oh, by the way, I caught an inconsistency. We were led to believe that > Anya was driving a car for the first time in "Triangle"; but having just > recently re-watched "Graduation Day," there's a line where she comes back > to the school to try and persuade Xander to go with her, and she says, > "I'm packed and the car is outside." Who else could have been driving it? > Her "parents" (existing when convienient)? A taxi? Probably just a glitch, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:29:23 -0800 From: "David S. Bratman" Subject: Re: b/dawn the key At 09:12 PM 2/6/2001 , Don wrote: >How about > > > >some > > > >spoiler > > > > >space? > > > >Enough? > > >Well, I'm a happy boy tonight, and I hope the rest of you are happy >too. That was a really fine =Buffy= episode, I thought. (First-time >scriptwriter, too.) Yes, I agree it was very good. >good for Dawn standing in there despite her fear of Glory and trying >to find out more about the Key; Dawn's understanding of the >situation as it changed from line to line of dialog was, again, >patent on Trachtenberg's face. Ace job. Agreed, and the plot element raised now is, when (and if!) Dawn will tell Buffy what she learned from Glory (which could be more than we saw, as there was a scene cut). Dawn told Buffy at the end that she didn't know where Ben had gone, but it seems to me that she's clearly hiding, at least for know, the fact that she registered at the time that Ben had somehow either turned into, or been replaced by, Glory. It also occurred to me that, since the hospital people have already found the dead guard, that Buffy at this time may have no way of knowing that the dead man the hospital people were referring to wasn't Ben. But that's a trivial problem. >Buffy was absolutely right, when she said to Giles many episodes >ago, that all her friends would treat Dawn differently if they knew >the truth about her; but dead wrong about that being a good reason >to not tell them. They were =not= happy with her. I disagree. Of course they weren't happy with her, but she must have known that would be the case. Considering the absolute incompetence of Xander and Anya in particular at handling the revelation, Buffy was right the first time: it was a very good idea not to tell them. And it would have been a very good idea not to have told them when she did, as far as strategy goes: only a sense of fairness and obligation to her friends won out over the strategic needs; and I'm not saying it shouldn't have. >Interesting that Glory seemed a little weaker; she didn't mop the >floor with everybody like before. A _little_ weaker? No stronger than a typical better-than-average vampire. As Todd observed, weakness accounts for this, though why Glory didn't just do the fingers-in-the-head thing with one of these guys ... I like Glory as a villain much more than Adam, but if this is the end of Glory, or even if it isn't the end of Glory, it's a less satisfying encounter than the superb end of Adam. Todd wrote: >I absolutely loved how Spike was written and played >tonight. I'm starting to think that maybe there is a >chance for him and Buffy. But not an easy one, and no >kissy-face any time soon. Did you see the previews for next week? >The local station had a technical glitch during almost >the entire Ben/Dawn scene. Could somebody tell me how >they met and what were they talking about? We got the >show back just when Ben realized Dawn was the Key. Dawn, having realized from her reading of Giles's book that the mad could see through her, had flashed through her previous encounters with them at the hospital, and went down to the mad ward to see if they could tell her anything. They all reacted, but only the Knight said anything registerable, repeating his ritual remark about breaking the Key. Ben, who you'll remember takes care of these patients, walked in on her soon after this. In their conversation, Ben first assumed Dawn was worried about Joyce, but Dawn starts talking about how Buffy is obsessed with this Key thing, and how she (Dawn) doesn't really exist, and that's when Ben tumbles to it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:07:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: b/ben@dawn [DAWN, fleeing the imprecations of the mad Knight of Byzantium, opens the door of the ward just as BEN is walking past in the hall. They look at one another for a moment.] [CUT TO DAWN sitting alone in a cafeteria(?) booth. BEN enters with two paper coffee cups.] BEN: Two steaming cups of chocolate goodness, courtesy of whoever I swiped it from out of the cupboard. Couldn't find any marshmallows-- I'll try to steal some for next time. DAWN: [morose throughout] Don't like 'em anyway. BEN: [amused] What? Is that even possible? DAWN: Too squishy. When I was five, Buffy told me they were monkey brains, and I-- [stops] BEN: [concerned] Dawn, was your mother brought back in? Is that why you're here? DAWN: No. [biting off the words] My mom's just fine. BEN: Is there anybody I can call? Your sister? DAWN: [as before] I don't have a sister BEN: [a bit lighter] Oh. You two have a fight? It's OK--I know how that goes. I've got a sister, too. They can be a real pain sometimes, huh? [DAWN nods distractedly] I'll tell you, there have been a lot of nights I wish =she= didn't exist, either. DAWN: It's not Buffy. It's me. I'm the one that doesn't exist. [despairing sigh] BEN: Look. I know it can feel that way sometimes--but when you're older... DAWN: No--you don't understand. It's not real. [indicating herself] None of this! They made it! BEN: Dawn-- DAWN: I'm nothing! I'm just a thing the monks made so Glory couldn't find me! I'm not real! [During this last speech BEN's eyes widen, he rises and draws back from DAWN] BEN: You're the Key! DAWN: How do you know about the Key? BEN: Go! Before she finds you! Don't ask me how she knows, 'cause she always knows! Just go! DAWN: Wait! Calm down, just tell me-- BEN: [interrupting her, agitated] You don't understand, you're a kid! You stay, she'll find you, she finds you, she'll hurt you! DAWN: [scared] What's wrong with you? BEN: [more agitated] You're what she's been searching for, I am telling you, run, you don't know, you-- [breaks off, looks around] [DAWN is frozen in place, wide-eyed] BEN: [undertone] Oh, no, oh god no, she's coming, I can feel it, [to DAWN, desperately] you've got to get out [still looking] no, [louder] oh no, SHE'S HERE! [grabs DAWN, who screams] SHE's-- [BEN suddenly morphs into GLORY] GLORY: --here! [looks curiously at DAWN] Hey--don't I know you? [BLACKOUT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:51:53 -0800 From: "marta grabien" Subject: Re: help? > I don't know if it is my VCR or the tape I used or what, but I taped > tonight's shows and while I can tell it's BUFFY, there are all these > terrible white scratches all over the screen. (It looks like a dirty tape, > but I haven't been able to figure out how it got that way.) > First, clean your VCR heads. Then put the tape in, fast forward for a few moments, then rewind it. Somehow this seems to help. At least it does when I get those streaks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:12:48 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Huff Subject: Re: b/dawn the key Thanks, David and Donald. > Agreed, and the plot element raised now is, when > (and if!) Dawn will tell > Buffy what she learned from Glory (which could be > more than we saw, as > there was a scene cut). Dawn told Buffy at the end > that she didn't know > where Ben had gone, but it seems to me that she's > clearly hiding, at least > for know, the fact that she registered at the time > that Ben had somehow > either turned into, or been replaced by, Glory. I have to wonder why she's hiding it. Just to be one up on Buffy? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:38:21 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: o/jung codex Hi! Don noted: >Very weird for a Pepsi commercial. I'd love to know what kind of people are on the Pepsi team at the ir ad agency nowadays. I'm sure you've seen the Pepsi ad featuring Albert Einstein trying to decide between Coke and Pepsi, while part of _Einstein On The Beach_ plays in the background? That's not quite so esoteric as the sign you noticed (I haven't seen the ad myself, that I can recall), but it's getting there. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:35:54 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: b/dawn the key Hi! Just got finished watching my tape from last night... Don commented: >How about > > > >some > > > >spoiler > > > > >space? > > > >Enough? > > >Well, I'm a happy boy tonight, and I hope the rest of you are happy >too. That was a really fine =Buffy= episode, I thought. (First-time >scriptwriter, too.) And if I'm not mistaken, first-time director as well. It was indeed quite good. >In particular, my estimation of Michelle Trachtenberg's talent went >up another notch tonight: she essentially had to carry the episode, >and she did so splendidly. I agree. Now I finally understand why they brought her in for the role. She's finally getting a chance to show her stuff. >(Dawn and Spike! Wotta team!) That was pretty funny. And pretty astute of Dawn, too, to figure that the info she was looking for would be in Giles' little book. (One does have to wonder why a shopkeeper wouldn't have a burglar alarm on his shop, but I guess that's neither here nor there.) >good for Dawn standing in there despite her fear of Glory and trying >to find out more about the Key; I thought that whole scene was excellent. What an unexpected way for Dawn to find out more about what she is! (If I'm not mistaken she now knows more than the rest of the gang, right?) >Interesting that Glory seemed a little weaker; she didn't mop the >floor with everybody like before. As others have noted, she mentioned that it was snacktime - I've noticed she tends to start babbling when her batteries are running low, and she was doing that right before Buffy burst in. (I have to admit I was kind of looking forward to seeing what would happen if Glory did try to suck Dawn's brain out - would there be an explosion?) >(What exactly was Spike's line >when he had grabbed hold of her? My tape has a glitch.) I think it was something like "Hey, I thought you said the bitch was tough!" Interesting that so many people are reporting tape glitches and broadcast blips and the like ... our tape has a glitch right when Glory starts giving Dawn the scoop, which I believe was a satellite burp. Maybe there was some weird atmospheric stuff going on during the downlink? >But now we have this new information: they're brother and sister, at >least in one sense; in another sense, maybe they aren't even >separate beings. I'm sensing some kind of Divine Twins routine; >guess I'll have to go back and have a look at that Donald Ward >monograph on the subject... *That* revelation was a jaw-dropper! Yow. David added: >I like Glory as a villain much more than Adam, but if this is the end of >Glory, or even if it isn't the end of Glory, it's a less satisfying >encounter than the superb end of Adam. There's *no* way that was the end of Glory. Somehow I think she can survive a fall to earth from a few thousand feet up. Besides, she's this year's Big Bad -- she's not going anywhere until the May sweeps. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V3 #18 ****************************