From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V3 #5 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Thursday, January 11 2001 Volume 03 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: b/triangle ["Susan Kroupa" ] Re: b/triangle [meredith ] b/scapegoat in the media [meredith ] Re: b/triangle [Todd Huff ] Re: b/triangle [allenw ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:45:55 -0800 From: "Susan Kroupa" Subject: Re: b/triangle I loved this episode--lots of funny lines. Spike with his obsession about the blooming onion! Buffy quizzing the nun! I do think, if there was any doubt left, as to whether Buffy's love for Riley is less than and different from her love for Angel, that this ep makes it clear. The whole romance is treated humorously, and while Buffy's sad and depressed, it's not anything like what she went through after Angel. Have fun in the jungle, Gayle! Sue - ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald G. Keller To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: b/triangle > That =is= the title, right? (Anyone have the last four or five =Angel= > titles? > > Let's > > put > > in > > some > > spoiler > > space > > just in case. > > I was expecting kind of a dumb episode, and it was kind of a dumb episode, > but it sure did have lots of funny stuff. I laughed so hard--twice--at > Spike ending up beating Mannequin Buffy about the head with the box of > candy that I wondered if I should be careful how often I watch it. > > (Poor Spike.) > > There was also Buffy and the wimple (wish we'd seen that!) and Anya with > her bomb-clock. Anya driving. Anya doing just about anything. > > Nicely done device, I thought, of Buffy breaking into tears at seemingly > odd times. And that her reaction to Riley leaving is different from Angel > leaving. > > Again, nice conversation with Dawn, about Riley. > > Well-done final scene; Dawn has already suspected there is something odd > about her, despite Buffy's ressurances, and now I think the jig is up. > Dawn will demand to know now, and that means the rest of the gang will > have to be brought in on it. > > Just in time for Buffy's birthday... > > By the way, any of you watching =Dark Angel=: remember the episode where > Max gets thrown in jail and is befriended by a very large, very gay guy? > Same actor (Abraham Benrubi) playing the troll. > > (The troll sure did resemble Thor, didn't he?) > > Very interesting conversation partners: Buffy and Tara, Xander and Spike, > Willow and Anya (very funny earlier on when they both talked to Xander, > not each other). > > Well, that's enough for now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:34:18 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: b/triangle Hi! Don commented: >Let's > >put > >in > >some > >spoiler > >space > >just in case. > >I was expecting kind of a dumb episode, and it was kind of a dumb episode, >but it sure did have lots of funny stuff. Hear, hear. >I laughed so hard--twice--at >Spike ending up beating Mannequin Buffy about the head with the box of >candy that I wondered if I should be careful how often I watch it. Henh. I laughed the hardest at Willow's conversations/confrontations with Anya. "Hello! Gay now!!" >There was also Buffy and the wimple (wish we'd seen that!) and Anya with >her bomb-clock. Anya driving. Anya doing just about anything. It was so nice to see so much of Anya in this episode!! "I just figured out what this pedal on the left does." For Giles' sake (and hers), I was quite glad to learn she meant the brake pedal, and not the clutch! Yeowch. >Nicely done device, I thought, of Buffy breaking into tears at seemingly >odd times. And that her reaction to Riley leaving is different from Angel >leaving. Actually, I thought that was the part that brought the entire episode down. I kept expecting to find that Buffy's odd, completely out-of-character breakdowns were some weird side-effect of one of Willow's (many) failed spells. It was so out of the blue: earlier on, Buffy is reacting as one might expect (cf. her discussions with Giles and Dawn on the subject). Then later, for seemingly no reason at all, she's having this vaudevillian comic breakdown in front of Tara, then again at the end in the magic shop. Huh?!? Where the hell did that come from?? I could've bought it if there'd been even a glimmer of setup for it, but as it was it just left me scratching my head, and dropped the episode's grade straight down to the C range. When the episode was over, Rob declared that SMG should get her Golden Globe nomination retracted for those stupid breakdown scenes. I don't think it's her fault so much as the fault of the director. Something that out of character can only be blamed on bad direction, imho. >Well-done final scene; Dawn has already suspected there is something odd >about her, despite Buffy's ressurances, and now I think the jig is up. >Dawn will demand to know now, and that means the rest of the gang will >have to be brought in on it. I agree. Nice stuff. And what was Giles hiding?! He was obviously holding something back. Maybe this yields a clue (thanks for posting this, Todd): >Checkpoint >While the Watcher's Council threatens to deport Giles >Anthony Stewart Head) if Buffy (Sarah Michelle Gellar) >fails an arduous test of her slaying skills, they also >dangle crucial information about Glory (guest star >Clare Kramer). Sounds like "Helpless" all over again. I forget - is this Buffy's 21st birthday coming up, or her 20th? Either way, the last "arduous test of her slaying skills" was on her 18th birthday, so the Watcher's Council must have a Thing for milestone birthdays. >By the way, any of you watching =Dark Angel=: remember the episode where >Max gets thrown in jail and is befriended by a very large, very gay guy? >Same actor (Abraham Benrubi) playing the troll. He's also the same guy who played the receptionist on ER for several seasons, and the same guy who played the neighbor who tried to warn Mulder and Scully in the X-Files episode where they went undercover as a married couple on Camazotz (as I like to think of it). I like him a lot - I was excited to hear he'd be playing the troll, and I think he did a great job. It's a great role for him - he's a big lug of a guy anyway. >(The troll sure did resemble Thor, didn't he?) Rob was reminded of Worf. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:44:16 -0500 From: meredith Subject: b/scapegoat in the media Hi! This is causing quite a stir on the Xena list I'm on, so I thought I'd drop it in here too since _Buffy_ is mentioned as well. Enjoy! >GLUED TO THE TUBE, a book by Cheryl Pawlowski (2000), says p. 131-132-- > >Television over the past few decades has significently altered its >approach to how heroes resolved conflicts. Early heroes such as Superman >and Roy Rogers rarely killed their enemies. Although the heroes may >have thrown a punch or two, they frequently used superior intellect to >outwit their foes. The bad guys were often portrayed as intellectually >inferior. Such portrayals carried two important messages: brains win over >brawn and power of any kind carries with it an inherent responsibility. > >Such themes may appear innocently simplistic but are no less plausible >than today's heroes who kill villains by the score. Any real-life "hero" >who used TV's most popular techniques for conflict resolution would spend >the rest of their days in a courtroom explaining why it was necessary to >destroy millions of dollars in property and obliterate four dozen people to >stop one bad guy. In a 1999 study of twenty action shows such as HERCULES, >NIGHTMAN (1997-1999), CROW: STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN, XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS, VIP >(1998), and STARGATE SG-1 (1999-), researchers S. Robert Lichter, Linda S. >Lichter and Dan Amundson found an average of twenty-five violent scenes per >hour. Some programs evaluated by the researchers had as many as fifty-one >scenes per hour--or more than one for every minute of programming. And >most of these scenes were of what the researchers termed as "serious" >violence--those most likely to lead to death or serious injury. > >Today's feminine heroes differ little from their male counterparts and >rarely provide positive role models for girls. More often, their main >purpose is to satiate male viewers' sexual fantasies. When creating >female TV heroes, writers and producers have simply transplanted Arnold >Schwarzenegger's brain into a supermodel's body. Characters such as >Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Xena: Warrior Princess and VIP's cast of lethal >female characters led by Pamela Anderson, for example, are simply women >on a testosterone high. > >/// > >The book's bibliography lists the Lichter, Lichter & Amundson report as -- >"Merchandising Mayhem: Violence in Popular Culture." Washington: Center >for Media and Public Affairs. Sept. 1999. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:50:55 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Huff Subject: Re: b/triangle It's Buffy's 20th birthday coming up. > > >By the way, any of you watching =Dark Angel=: > remember the episode where > >Max gets thrown in jail and is befriended by a very > large, very gay guy? > >Same actor (Abraham Benrubi) playing the troll. > > He's also the same guy who played the receptionist > on ER for several > seasons, and the same guy who played the neighbor > who tried to warn Mulder > and Scully in the X-Files episode where they went > undercover as a married > couple on Camazotz (as I like to think of it). I > like him a lot - I was > excited to hear he'd be playing the troll, and I > think he did a great job. > It's a great role for him - he's a big lug of a guy > anyway. He's got a great sense of humor and I'd like to see more of him. He played Larry Kubiak on a great little Fox show called "Parker Lewis Can't Lose", which didn't last nearly as long as I wish it had. I wonder if Joss is going to be forced to have an episode in which it's shown that a woman CAN drive skillfully? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:29:22 -0600 (CST) From: allenw Subject: Re: b/triangle On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, meredith wrote: > Hi! > > Don commented: > > >Let's > > > >put > > > >in > > > >some > > > >spoiler > > > >space > > > >just in case. > > > >Nicely done device, I thought, of Buffy breaking into tears at seemingly > >odd times. And that her reaction to Riley leaving is different from Angel > >leaving. > > Actually, I thought that was the part that brought the entire episode down. > I kept expecting to find that Buffy's odd, completely out-of-character > breakdowns were some weird side-effect of one of Willow's (many) failed > spells. It was so out of the blue: earlier on, Buffy is reacting as one > might expect (cf. her discussions with Giles and Dawn on the subject). > Then later, for seemingly no reason at all, she's having this vaudevillian > comic breakdown in front of Tara, then again at the end in the magic shop. > Huh?!? Where the hell did that come from?? I could've bought it if > there'd been even a glimmer of setup for it, but as it was it just left me > scratching my head, and dropped the episode's grade straight down to the C > range. > While I thought that the breakdowns, and Buffy's devotion to the Xander/Anya relationship, worked semi-adequately on their own merits to reflect Buffy's emotional state, the best theory I've read so far is that they were intended as a parody of some of the more rabid Buffy/Angel relationship fans. ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V3 #5 ***************************