From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V2 #201 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Sunday, October 15 2000 Volume 02 : Number 201 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Buffy [Dori ] RE: Buffy ["Karin Rabe" ] RE: Buffy ["Karin Rabe" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:15:21 -0400 From: Dori Subject: Re: Buffy Meredith said: >That comment came out of far left field, and completely threw me for a >loop. I took it as adding yet more fuel to the "something is rotten in >Sunnydale" theme of this season so far. If this weren't an alternate >universe, would Riley say that? I don't think so What has Buffy said or >done to indicate that she *doesn't* love him? The thing that came out of left field for me was that Riley knew it, and was resigned to it. I've known for a long time that Buffy doesn't have the same depth of feeling for Riley that he has for her--he loves her more than life, and she...doesn't. But I thought that Riley was in deep denial about it. I wasn't really sure -why- I thought this, until someone on another list pointed out that Buffy has only said she loved Riley once--and she was talking to Angel, in a tirade that was specifically intended to make him miserable (Angel ep SANCTUARY, I think). She's never said it to Riley, despite many opportunities. (One of them in this very episode--when they're in the car, and Riley heads off her big angsty question, tells her he loves her, and waits for a reply...which never comes.) Ah, I see Allen ha mentioned this already. I think Buffy loves the idea of Riley, but she's so afraid that she won't have time to have all those things that people who love each other get, like white picket fence, minivan, 2.5 children, that she's keeping herself from really loving Riley. Also, I'm not sure she's convinced that it's really love if there's not angst all over the place. She even says this to Willow, in an ep last season. - -- Dori cleindori@rica.net - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Some illusions are worth any price you pay for them." Jane Mortimer - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:34:19 -0400 From: "Karin Rabe" Subject: RE: Buffy Meredith said, and I have to leap in to second!, > Never mind that. My personal favorite was the mention of Xander's > collection of Babylon 5 commemorative plates. ;> Loved it. And I only hope you're right about this alternate universe hypothesis, because I =hate= the total break in continuity Dawn's appearance out of nowhere has created. Nor do I like the idea of BUFFY spending much of the season baby-sitting, rather than dealing with being a sophomore in college as well as a vampire slayer. But isn't the gal that plays Dawn being touted as a regular all season?? - ---Karin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:43:43 -0400 From: "Karin Rabe" Subject: RE: Buffy Allen, re: > I think the primary thing we've seen is that Buffy has never said > (to Riley himself) that she *does* love him, even at times when it would > be really appropriate... such as when he says he loves every part of her, > in this very episode. Interesting point, and one I'd somehow overlooked. Perhaps because she in essence declared her love for Riley to Angel a while back, though I realize without using the "L" word, if memory serves. The fact that she hasn't even used it to Riley strengthens the impression I had at the time that she was more interested in hurting Angel, than declaring her true feelings. Looking back a bit further, it strikes me that Buffy's most mature moment in the series thus far was at the end of the 2nd season, when she kissed Angel goodbye and then completed her mission to save the world by running him through with the sword -- sending him to perdition even though she was fully aware that Willow's reverse spell had restored his soul, too late. Since then, I've seen lessening rather than growing maturity on Buffy's part, despite her success last season in doing without a mentor. Of course, it would have been hard to take her any =higher= than that moment, so maybe a certain amount of regression makes sense. :) And I'm glad she's finally realized that she still needs Giles, or someone, to help her deal with the dark side that's been surfacing more and more frequently. (And here's hoping =that's= not just a temporary, alternate universe reality!) - ---Karin ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V2 #201 *****************************