From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V2 #199 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Saturday, October 7 2000 Volume 02 : Number 199 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: b/dawn [GHighPine@aol.com] b/cheese & vagrancy [Micole Sudberg ] Re: b/cheese & vagrancy [GHighPine@aol.com] Re: b/cheese & vagrancy [Dori ] Re: b/dawn ["Hilary L. Hertzoff" ] Re: b/dawn [Dawn Friedman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:25:44 EDT From: GHighPine@aol.com Subject: Re: b/dawn In a message dated 10/5/00 11:49:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dgk@panix.com writes: << that there's Something Going On with each of them. (I about fell out of my chair at the "curds and whey" line! Also...the guy thought he was a cat?? Remember the kitten in "Restless" and its subtle parallels to Tara???) >> Ooh, and the kitten in the same dream as the Little Miss Muffet line! (Sorry, in a hurry, leaving soon.) Gayle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:28:18 -0400 From: Micole Sudberg Subject: b/cheese & vagrancy Can someone who's watched "Restless" more recently, often, or attentively than I say whether or not the vagrant who accosts Dawn is the Cheese Guy in the Slayerettes' dreams? I thought he looked vaguely familiar, but I don't remember what the Cheese Guy looked like very well. - --m. - -- "There's trees in the desert since you moved out. And I don't sleep on a bed of bones."--Joss Whedon, BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:09:10 EDT From: GHighPine@aol.com Subject: Re: b/cheese & vagrancy In a message dated 10/6/00 8:42:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, micole@speakeasy.org writes: << the Cheese Guy in the Slayerettes' dreams? I thought he looked vaguely familiar, but I don't remember what the Cheese Guy looked like very well. >> Cheese Guy was Principal Snyder. Gayle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 13:25:29 -0700 From: Dori Subject: Re: b/cheese & vagrancy At 09:09 AM 10/6/00, you wrote: > Cheese Guy was Principal Snyder. Er, no, he wasn't. Snyder was the Apocalypse Now guy, in Xander's dream; the Cheese Guy was somebody else. He was too tall, for one thing--Armin is close to SMG's height. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:52:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hilary L. Hertzoff" Subject: Re: b/dawn On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Donald G. Keller wrote: > The episode did a good job of fitting Dawn seamlessly into the mix, as > though she actually had been there all along. It made especial sense > who she liked/got along with and who she didn't among the continuing > characters. And I think MT and SMG have excellent (mostly > negative!) chemistry; one can believe they've known each other for a long > time. I've heard several comments on the Sailor Moonishness of it all, since they did a similar plot with a mysterious younger sibling/cousin showing up out of the blue. Of course Dawn doesn't have cotton candy pink hair... > > I had noticed at some point when I saw photos of MT that she does resemble > Amber Benson more than she resembles SMG. Pure accident, I'm sure: they > didn't cast her for her specific appearance, but for her talent and > "nepotism" (SMG recommended her). > And I thought she resembled a mix of Joyce and Buffy... > The first time through the episode I thought it was odd that the last line > of Dawn's about people being in for a surprise about her; I hadn't gotten > any sense that she knew there was anything special about herself. But > second time through there's something in her =first= voiceover lines about > people not knowing or caring about who she is, and also the bit about what > she'd do if =she= had superpowers... Everyone's been speculating about this bit, which, working with this age group, I glossed over completely. It's such a common attitude, especially in books - I'm _NOTHING_ like they think I am/they have no idea what I'm capable of, etc. The outsider feeling, trying to figure out where you fit in the scheme of things, idolization of an older sister and her friends...and Joss captures that feeling perfectly and always has. Hilary L. Hertzoff From here to there, Mamaroneck Public Library a bunny goes where a bunny must. Mamaroneck, NY hhertzof@wls.lib.ny.us Little Bunny on the Move hhertzof@panix.com by Peter McCarty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 20:10:22 -0400 From: Dawn Friedman Subject: Re: b/dawn Don wrote, >As for her line about Willow and Tara...the first time I wasn't paying >attention to the actual wording, and what I called to mind was Joyce's >attitude towards witchcraft in "Gingerbread"...it took my daughter >Deirdre to point out the other obvious refernce there, and sure enough >what Dawn actually says is "what Willow and Tara do together," which calls >up again the now-constant double entendre of spells and sex. (But it >=isn't= clear how much Joyce the Clueless knows about Tara and Willow.) I've been thinking about this, and I can't tell if this is legit reasoning or your basic No-Prize spiel, but I can imagine that in a universe where Joyce has a fourteen-year-old daughter who hangs out with Buffy's college-age crowd, she might have enquired more thoroughly into the sort of stuff Willow and Tara (and Xander and maybe even Anya) get up to. Dawn ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V2 #199 *****************************