From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V2 #97 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Wednesday, May 3 2000 Volume 02 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: b/The DeJoxerfication of Wesley [Dori ] b/newmoon/sanctuary ["Donald G. Keller" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:28:29 -0400 From: Dori Subject: Re: b/The DeJoxerfication of Wesley HOT BUTTON ALERT: > For instance, Trekkies, most of them women And their gender is relevant...why? >It's one thing for fans to write this for their own jollies. It's >another when it appears in the actual show. Tsk. Yeah, it's just so annoying when a good show is contaminated by those icky Girly!Fanfic Cooties. > This scenario seems to have a sexual/romantic appeal. No, not "seems to." "Does." But not, of course, to =everyone=. If we all liked the same kinks...well, think what a shortage of whipped cream there'd be. Maybe I'm just overly sensitive after 30 years of reading romance, a genre that's regularly dismissed as fourth- or fifth-rate by people who've never read it because it's primarily written and read by women. But my experience has been that when someone makes a point to note that "most of [the people who enjoy this] are women," I'm not exactly going to be getting an unbiased view of the genre, and am quite likely to be spoken of as though I have neither the taste nor the sense to choose any better. This, naturally, annoys me. My taste in fiction, whether romance novels, sf/fantasy, or H/C fanfic, should not be a target for condescension or ridicule. I don't know you well enough, David, to judge your intent, here, but you've certainly managed to hit several sore spots, and I've definitely come away with the impression that you're looking down your nose at not only H/C fanfic, but the people who read and write it. I realize this is a hair-trigger button for me, though, and if, through over-sensitivity to the issue, I've misconstrued you, I apologize. - -- Dori cleindor@cfw.com - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Torture first. It's better that way. Troll maxim - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: b/newmoon/sanctuary Well, =that= was a major helping. Felt like I had to re-watch both episodes in order to feel like I'd even absorbed them. "New Moon Rising" is a topnotch Marti Noxon script, I thought. Very uncomfortable in the best sense. Nicely done parallel between Riley's "bigotry" and Buffy's reaction to Willow & Tara. I thought that was the right way to handle the whole Willow & Tara & Oz situation; inevitable angst, but everyone behaved like an adult and they sorted it out. Approved of how they handled Riley's passing his point of no return. And of Oz finding a way to control his lycanthropy. Nice thickening of plot with Spike and Adam joining forces; I'm interested in what's going to happen next, now. It was one thing to have a Samuel Beckett joke (=Wating for Godot= is a well-known title), but a William Burroughs joke?? I was very amused. And very amused by Giles and Anya doing a high-five. Just now struck me: innnteresting parallel between Riley and Angel going against "law enforcement" to save killers. I was surprised they didn't have a scene in "New Moon Rising" setting up Buffy's trip to L.A. Which muddies the chronology: it almost feels like "Sanctuary" happened right after "Five By Five" and =before= "New Moon Rising" (or even before "Where the Wild Things Are"!). Have to think about it on rewatching. Wonder how much of "Sanctuary" Joss Whedon wrote. Bet he wrote all or most of the Buffy scenes, especially the Buffy/Faith scene on the roof. (Lots to chew on there: "only you made me feel like a victim"?) Wished Kate had more than that one brief scene with Buffy and Faith. Are we looking at Faith having a future on =Angel=? She's going to be in jail for a long time, I suspect. I think I've bought Faith Redeemed, now. And now it's late. Later. (Latest.) ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V2 #97 ****************************