From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V2 #43 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Wednesday, February 23 2000 Volume 02 : Number 043 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: b / gotta have faith [GHighPine@aol.com] b/oh come all ye faithful [meredith ] b/this year's girl ["Donald G. Keller" ] Re: b/this year's girl ["Susan J. Kroupa" ] Re: b/this year's girl [GHighPine@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:11:28 EST From: GHighPine@aol.com Subject: Re: b / gotta have faith In a message dated 2/21/00 9:45:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, allenw@io.com writes: << I haven't heard that given as the episode title before. >> I thought I heard that somewhere. Could be wrong. Well, still, the point I was making..... Gayle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:22:33 -0500 From: meredith Subject: b/oh come all ye faithful Hi! Oh. My. THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK (that's a good one, Don :) I'm sure Don is probably watching it over again as I type ... I'm looking forward to being able to view our tape of it when I (finally) get home, as I watched it this evening in a house full of three kids under the age of 5. Needless to say, I missed a lot of the good lines. But I got the plot well enough! Oh my god. I guess we have further proof that Faith is Buffy's Callisto - Callisto and Xena switched bodies, too! I'm sure SMG had a *blast* filming part 2, based on the previews. Just a few questions: - -- Where did Willow and Tara go? - -- Where was Anya? - -- Who on earth were those guys in Giles' house? My theory is that Faith's nurse was actually her new Watcher, and the "team" that coptered in is from the Watcher's Council. Let's see if I'm right. Nice to see our friend the Mayor again. He really was, erm, a character. Did anyone else get the feeling that Faith is jealous of Riley? Her declamation to Joyce made that especially clear, I thought. (One might be tempted to say that as a Xenite I'm prone to find subtext anywhere and everywhere, but I thought this was quite overt...) Counting down until next week, and anxiously awaiting Don's interpretation of all those juicy dream sequences, +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: b/this year's girl I've been saying "Oh, @#$*!" a lot today. The first time was this morning when I read Berni's message about David getting a tape of the English TV serial of =Gormenghast=. I've been reading stuff about it, and it sounds like it could very possibly be excellent. I'm looking forward to the (possibly mythical)(as opposed to mythic) opportunity to see it myself, and I wait with relative patience to hear a report. I didn't even have =relative= patience this week, and of course it got worse as the day wore on; I could barely wait for 8:00 to roll around. And I haven't had so much trouble sitting through the commercials in an episode since "Ted" in the second season (one of the best at-the-time experiences I've had with this show). And it was kind of torturous to sit through (really a very good) =Angel= to rewind the tape and watch the episode again. (I didn't remember to make myself dinner until halfway through =Angel=.) And, of course, it's going to be even =worse= waiting through the =next= week. (There, is that enough SPOILER SPACE!!!!?) I said "Oh, @#$*!" right at the beginning of the episode, and again at the very end, and at least once or twice in the course of it. Man, does Faith ever give even a really exciting, complicated situation a shot of adrenalin! And =three= more dreams to play with! So I was wrong about Slayers and dreams, and now we really =do= have to wonder "your mind or mine"(!!!!) about the =GDII= dream. Wonderful stuff. I was also wrong about Riley taking an episode off. Interesting, since he really can't =do= very much; still, I guess it's good to not have Buffy distracted by a =third= thing besides the two psycho killers (Xander's whole speech starting with bad timing was a stitch.) (And the scene with Spike! "I like her already"!!! Spike and Faith?) (Speculation: Faith vs. Adam?) Prediction! Anya's "You can't have Xander" was a setup. Scriptwriter Douglas Petrie also wrote "Bad Girls," by the way. He's obviously got a line on the Buffy/Faith thing. Wonderful scene when Buffy finds Faith on campus. Not only between them, but with Willow bystanding. Maybe my favorite line: "Sure. Well...the ones I was going to do anyway." Well, it's late, and this is probably enough comments for a first (well, second) go-round. May the week pass quickly!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:28:13 -0700 From: "Susan J. Kroupa" Subject: Re: b/this year's girl Great show and I agree with everything Don said. To me, though, the most interesting part of the show was the beginning because the second dream--I think it's definitely Faith's--where she's running from Buffy makes Faith sympathetic. Then, of course, Faith is her bad ol' self, but we (or at least I) wish it could be different. It's great writing to make a villian at once so evil and sympathetic--which is exactly what Whedon did with the bad Angel, too. Wow! I'm still reeling from this show. Riley plays an important part in that he's vulnerable--he's something Buffy couldn't bear to lose--and he's wounded and even when he wasn't he couldn't beat a slayer. So just his being onstage, so to speak, adds tension. Sue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:26:26 EST From: GHighPine@aol.com Subject: Re: b/this year's girl Wow. Oh @#$%. I watched with a friend and he was a witness to some of my during-show predictions. One was, as soon as we saw the black helicopter and the guys with briefcases, that they were the Watchers' Council. That was obvious by show's end, right? (Typical misdirection, with the kinda hi-tech look the writers wanted us to think Initiative. Interesting that Buffy made an explicit parallel between the Initiative and Watchers' Council earlier.) Can't remember at the moment what the other in-show predictions were. Except that I had a genuine fear that Joyce might not make it out alive. This is about the same point when Angel killed Jenny and it would have been too good of a parallel with Riley losing Walsh and Faith losing the Mayor. Faith is such a rich and complex character. Vulnerable and hatable and scary and haunting. Wow. Dream sequence at the beginning -- wow. Twist at the end -- HOLY #$%^ !!!! Too much to absorb. More comments later. Oh, I figured out where I got the idea that the ep title was "You Gotta Have Faith." It was in TV Guide. Sometimes the headlines for their closeups are ep titles, sometimes not. Gayle ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V2 #43 ****************************