From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V2 #17 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Monday, January 24 2000 Volume 02 : Number 017 Today's Subjects: ----------------- b/ best ep poll [GHighPine@aol.com] Re: b/ speculative thoughts [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:19:01 EST From: GHighPine@aol.com Subject: b/ best ep poll I was looking at Usenet and found a thread with a poll asking what people considered 5-star episodes of BUFFY. Slightly different question from top ten. Using the newly discovered miracle of offline reading, I captured most of the responses. (I'll leave it up to someone else to tally them, if anyone is interested enough.) i would have to say, in order: 1.hush 2.becoming 1 and 2 3. passion 4.halloween 5. graduation day 1 and 2 yes i too wish that i could put the 2nd part of the buffy/angel crossover, that was one of the best far! =========== Ok I'll play! My choices for top notch, A+, 5* eps are: Prophecy Girl School Hard (Come on! Spike and Dru show up, Joyce with an ax, and the Anointed One goes up in flames!! ;->) Innocence Passion Becoming 2 Lover's Walk (If for nothing else, Spike's 'Love's Bitch' speech!) Hush ================ My turn! Prophecy Girl Lie To Me Innocence Bewitched, Bothered, & Bewildered Becoming 2 Lover's Walk Earshot Hush ============== Angel Bewitched Becoming Dopplegandland Graduation Day Part 1 Hush ============ Hi. None from S1. Passion Becoming Part.1 Dopplegangland Earshot Graduation Part.1 Wild at Heart Hush. Dopplegangland is still my favourite followed by Hush. Appears as if the post generally popular are Becoming and Hush at the moment. ============= > > list every episode to which you give a rating of 5. Only those. No > >others. Anne Becoming 1 Becoming 2 Bewitched, Bothered & Bewildered Earshot Graduation Day 1 Halloween Hush Innocence Lie to Me Prophecy Girl Surprise When She Was Bad ============= Why not ;) I think you should follow this up with a universally hated poll. WTTH The Harvest The Pack (no one ever mentions it, but one of the defining MOTW eps) Prophecy Girl Lie to Me BB&B Passion Becoming 2 The Wish Helpless Doppelgangland Earshot Graduation Day 1 Wild at Heart Hush ============= news:84pkbu$pgb$1@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net... > 1. list every episode to which you give a rating of 5. Only those. No > others. Angel The Pack School Hard Halloween Passion Lovers Walk Dopplegangland The Initiative ============== Ok: Season 1:--------------------- Prophecy Girl Season 2:--------------------- When She Was Bad Innocence BBB Passion Becoming Part 2 Season 3:--------------------- Anne Lover's Walk Helpless Earshot Season 4:---------------------- Fear, Itself Hush That's about it for my "perfect episode" episodes. =========== Angel Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered Becoming, Part 2 Graduation Day Part 1 Hush ========== Ah the return of the favorites poll. Angel: Sets up everything else that follows. Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered: Damn funny Becoming, Part 2: Love the angst episodes Graduation Day Part 1: Faith gets what's coming to her Hush: Who can resist a Grant Morrison/Doom Partrol homage? ================ y 5 -star picks Passion I Only Have Eyes For You Becoming (both of them) Helpless Keep in mind, I haven't seen Prophecy Girl, or BB&B. Lover's Walk is almost a 5. ========== My choices for 5-star episodes: Season One: Prophecy Girl Season Two: Innocence Passion Becoming 2 Season Three: Amends Helpless Season Four: Hush ======= My first thought was 'God! how the hell am I gonna do this' At any rate, here are mine (chronological order hopefully) WttH/The Harvest (WttH alone, but The Harvest needs WttH to attain this) Angel Prophecy Girl WSWB Surprise Innocence Passion B2 Amends Helpless Earshot G1 G2 HLoD Hush ============= Here is a list of my "PERFECT 5" episodes of Buffy... Season 1: "Welcome To the Hellmouth" (part 1) "The Harvest" (part 2) "Angel" "Nightmares" "Prophecy Girl" Season 2: "Lie To Me" "Innocence" (part 2) "Passion" "Becoming" (part 1) "Becoming" (part 2) Season 3: "The Wish" "Bad Girls" Part 1 "Doppelgangland" "Earshot" "Graduation Day" (part 1) "Graduation Day" (part 2) Season 4: "Something Blue" "Hush" =============== 5 star eps "Lie to Me" "Innocence" "Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered" "Passion" "Becoming" (Part 2) "Revelations" I loved "Hush," but I'm just not sure it deserves five stars. And it's been too long since I've seen "Prophecy Girl." Of course, I've only seen "Lie to Me" once, but it was by far my favorite at the time, so I'll leave it with the five. ================= In released order: PG, LtM, BBB, Passion, Becoming, and Hush with PG and Becoming being the two elites (A+). Almost honors to Angel, Nightmares, PS, S/I, Earshot, HLOD, maybe FI after I see it again. ============= My entries: The Pack Prophecy Girl Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered Becoming Lovers Walk Helpless ============ Welcome to the Hellmouth The Harvest Prophecy Girl Halloween Lie to Me Innocence Bewitched, Bothered & Bewildered Phases Passion Becoming 1 & 2 Anne Lover's Walk Helpless Dopplegangland Graduation Day 1 & 2 Hush ============== Hush The Initiative Graduation Day, Part 2 Earshot The Zeppo Becoming, Part 2 Becoming, Part 1 Passion Ted Lie to Me Prophecy Girl The Witch ============= Oops. As ugly as the concept is, I have to reply to myself, and add "Fear Itself" and "Hush" from S5 (an oversight on my part) ============= The best way to determine my 5 stars is by listing the ep's I have/will use to introduce Buffy to other people Bewitched ... The ep that hooked me Becoming I Becoming II Earshot Hush Borderline 5's Innocence The Zeppo (Yes, the Zeppo) ========= Lie To Me Hush The Zeppo =============== Hush Gingerbread (I think I'm alone) Becoming Part 2 Anne The Prom =============== Hi George!! Am glad to participate and will be very interested to see the results of your survey. I will list my personal five star episodes by season. Season one: Angel and Prophecy Girl Season two:Surprise/Innocence and Becoming1 and 2 Season three: Amends and Graduation Day 1 and 2 Season four: Fear Itself ================ SEASON ONE Welcome to the Hellmouth The Harvest Angel Prophecy Girl SEASON TWO When She Was Bad Lie to Me What's My Line 1 What's My Line 2 Surprise Innocence Passion Becoming 1 Becoming 2 SEASON THREE The Wish SEASON FOUR Hush ============== "Prophecy Girl" "Lie to Me" "Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered" "Becoming 2" I'm reserving judgment on this season's episodes: there wasn't an episode I totally loved during third season (though "Doppelgangland" and "The Zeppo" came closest), and this year I'm still not quite sure if "Fear Itself" was *that* great or if it was just the aftereffects of a drought. =============== and I forgot "Innocence." Another fine episode, made even more remarkable by the fact that I hated "Surprise." ======================= George's 5-star picks Welcome to the Hellmouth The Harvest Prophecy Girl When She was Bad, Lie to Me Innocence BB&B Passion B-2 Anne Lover's Walk Helpless Dopplegangland Graduation Day-2 ======================= - --Becoming 2 (best ever, for the last act alone) - --Passion (slightly lower, but still worthy of 5 stars) - --Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered (best of the comedy episodes) - --Hush (sui generis. . .riveting from start to finish) A few others came close, but I'll leave the list at four. . .next up! :-) ========================== Angel Prophecy Girl Innocence Passion Becoming Part 2 Helpless Consequences Graduation Day Part 1 Hush Looking forward to disagreeing with everyone :-) ==================== I'd give a 5 rating to the following: Angel Surprise Innocence Passion Becoming Part 2 The Wish Doppelgangland Bad Girls Consequences Graduation Day 1 Graduation Day 2 Hush - -- ===================== Angel Passion Becoming (II), but actually I agree that I and II constitute one episode Anne Lovers Walk My guess is that "Becoming" is the general favorite episode, once again demonstrating the appalling lack of taste in the BufLite newsgroup. It's actually third best. "Anne" is best. ==================== Prophecy Girl Lie to Me Innocence Bewitched, Bothered, & Bewildered Becoming, Part 2 Amends Earshot Hush - -- Mike Zeares, who's changed his mind about "Wild at Heart," before anyone asks ================== Angel Prophecy Girl Lie to me Innocence Passion Becoming 2 Helpless Dopplegangland Earshot <- Looks like nobody else love this one Hush ================= My standard being "May have some flaws, but they might add to the fun rather than take away from it." The Pack The Puppet Show Prophecy Girl When She Was Bad Innocence Phases BB&B Passion Becoming 1 Anne Lover's Walk Dopplegangland Helpless Enemies Hush ====================== Here's my list of 5 star episodes. The Pack When She Was Bad School Hard Halloween Innocence Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered Passion Becoming (Part 1) Becoming (Part 2) The Wish Helpless Doppelgangland The Prom Fear Itself Wild at Heart Something Blue Hush There were quite a few more that were close, but weren't perfect (The Initiative, Prophecy Girl, Lie to Me, and Anne just to name a few). Wow, I just noticed how many were from Season 2! But I can't say that Season 2 was my favorite season. And this season already has 4, and it's not even half way through yet. Can't wait to read what everyone else listed! =========================== >1. list every episode to which you give a rating of 5. Only those. No >others. Prophecy Girl Innocence Passion Becoming Part 1 Becoming Part 2 Lover's Walk The Zeppo Doppelgangland Earshot Fear Itself Hush =================== Think I'll play as well, so: Prophecy Girl Innocence Bewitched, Bothered & Bewildered Passion Becoming, part 2 Amends Dopplegangland Earshot Hush Bubbling under were Angel, When She Was Bad, Surprise, Becoming part 1, The Wish, Helpless, The Prom and Fear Itself. ================= Prophecy Girl School Hard Lie to Me Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered B2 Dopplegangland Earshot Hush - -================== Okay, I'll bite. The five-star episodes are: "The Pack" "Innocence"/"Surprise" (is that the right order? I always get mixed up. I mean the two episodes treating Buffy's loss of her virginity and Angel's relapse into evil) "Becoming, Part 2" "Helpless" "Hush." I think that's it. And I did no peeking. Scout's honor (and yes, I was a Brownie for three weeks). My guess is the only episode with a hope of unanimous voting is "Becoming." ================== "Angel" "Prophecy Girl" "When She Was Bad" "Innocence" (Won't see "Passion" until after the next six pack is released so I can't really include it here, though I suspect I might otherwise) "Becoming 2" "Lovers Walk" "Amends" "Helpless" "Graduation 1" ==================== Okey-doke here's my 'top score' selections Prophecy Girl When She Was Bad Lie to Me Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered Passion Becoming Anne Lovers Walk Doppelgangland The Prom Wild At Heart Hush ================ Okay, sounds like fun to me... my votes.. for today anyway :-) (and I did not peek!!) 1) Hush 2) Becoming Part 2 3) Dopplegangland 4) The Wish 5) Becoming Part 1 ============= > 1. list every episode to which you give a rating of 5. Only those. No > others. Becoming 2 (the ulitmate, the gold standard) Passion Dopplegangland The Wish BB&B The Zeppo ================ Here goes my picks: The Puppet Show (Personal favorite from the 1st season with the best closing shot in the series.) Prophecy Girl (What a concept! A season finale that actually ties up the season's plotlines! A great trait that the show continues to this day) When She was Bad (Best season opener yet, I thought) Innocence (Turning Angel evil was one of the best plot twists I've seen on a show.) Passion (Jenny's death and the aftermath. Nuff said) Helpless (Nicely creepy set-up for this one, as well as the further exploration of Buffy and Giles dynamic.) Dopplegangland (The hilarity of evil Willow.) The Prom (One of the show's best endings, proving surprises don't need to be shocking for impact.) Graduation Day2 (Some say this was a let down, but what wouldn't be after the great build-up of the Mayor and Faith? It made me happy.) Hush (Just gets better and better upon repeat viewing. Shows just how good the ensemble cast is, with highlights on the debriefing scene in the classroom and the shows most disturbing looking villains, The Gentlemen.) ============ My Five Star Episodes: Lie to Me Innocence Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered Becoming, Part 2 ==================== Lover's Walk - simply the best Becoming II - instant classic Amends - unforgettable Angel - wow das it for my "perfect" eppies... no more from S1, S2 or S3 and none from S4 ============== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 23:54:16 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: b/ speculative thoughts Hi! Not enough time to comment on "Doomed", which I finally watched yesterday. I do, however, want to respond to this: Gayle wondered: > Hm, this is something the list should talk about -- what levels of >spoilers are acceptable? Might I suggest the following: The Xena list I'm on (chakram@frontiernet.net) is very heavily moderated. One of the main list guidelines is that any posts containing information about unaired episodes (or episodes even one person on the list may not have had a chance to see yet) must be clearly marked by the episode title in the subject line, and any spoilers must be preceded by at least one screen's worth of spoiler space, e.g. S P O I L E R S P A C E I advocate that this approach be adopted here. Any other opinions? +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V2 #17 ****************************