From: owner-small-repairs-digest@smoe.org (small-repairs-digest) To: small-repairs-digest@smoe.org Subject: small-repairs-digest V1 #86 Reply-To: $SENDER,small-repairs@smoe.org Sender: owner-small-repairs-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-small-repairs-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk small-repairs-digest Wednesday, September 10 1997 Volume 01 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [s-r] Belated thanks..... [BigHAIR844@aol.com] [s-r] Just a Smidgen of Shawn Content [BigHAIR844@aol.com] Re: [s-r] Shawn article in Rhythm's magazine [BigHAIR844@aol.com] Re: [s-r] What line-up is best? [kizntime@ix.netcom.com] Re: [s-r] Re: [NSR] eb take on Diana death [Phoenix ] Re: [s-r] Singles [Susan Krauss ] Re: [s-r] Re: [NSC] eb take on Diana death [Mooodeee@aol.com] Re: [s-r] Singles [Susan Krauss ] [s-r] Much heralded single in the UK [Andrew Stokell >I have a question for everyone... do you like Shawn best in solo acoustic >situations, with the "trio", or with the band? > I'll take any incarnation I can get. Shawn is an amazing songwriter and performer and I have never been disappointed with any show I've seen in the past 5 years. I do however tend to enjoy the "band" line-up better, simply because there seems to be more energy and a lot more ummmmmph. Gary Garbett editor, KISSIN' TIME, USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 16:48:33 From: Phoenix Subject: Re: [s-r] Re: [NSR] eb take on Diana death I find the HUBRIS in this thread disgusting. Here, now, two people have discussed what sorts of emotions are appropriate for others, and when and if they should be dispayed. One of the examples was that it's okay to grieve for pets, but not a human life? Gimme a break. I have always grieved for my pets -- even when others would say "it's just an animal, you can get a new one...." I also sometimes grieve when a celebrity or public figure I respect or admire passes on. It's not just about "celebrity worship," but about recognizing the impact someone has had on people's lives and honoring it. Princess Diana surely did a lot more for others than I might ever do. That was her job -- one for which she had the resources and access afforded a celebrity. If she hadn't been a celebrity, she would not have been able to do the work she did do. There's nothing implicitly unhealthy about admiring celebrities. Lots of people find it useful to have role models, no matter how fairy-tale fantastic they might be. It's awfully arrogant to presume you might know better who someone ought to respect and admire. And Eb said that she/he (?) grieved Burroughs -- why is that okay and not Diana? Once again, one person's value system is the measure for everyone. That is plain hubris. I'm sure the outpouring of grief and expressions of mourning would be overwhelming if one celebrity -- Shawn Colvin -- was cut down in her prime by some paparazzo or obsessed fan. Would that grief be okay? Shawn creates beautiful art, but what has she done for starving people stricken with poverty, or AIDS patients, or endning land-mine proliferation? I'm sure everyone here (probably including me) would be crying their eyes out if Shawn's life came to an end, so why cant't the people who admire Diana similarly have their time to mourn and share that with others? Get a grip. And please, forgive me and everyone else if we don't use your emotional barometer and compass to guide our way through life. And yet, somehow we survive. One wonders how some people (would-be armchair psychiatrists to the nation) get through the night knowing others are managing without following their important recoomendations as to what's a healthy and normal emotional expression. At 12:38 PM 9/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >eireann wrote: > >> Perhaps I'm simply insensitive, but I really don't >> understand why so >> many people seem to be affected so deeply by the loss of a >> woman hundreds of >> thousands of people seemed to greatly admire but none of >> them truly knew >> other than from interviews or articles or news stories >> about her. Her death >> was a shame, I suppose, being so young, but don't most >> deaths seem unjust? >> What sort of effect did Diana have on your lives to make >> her death have such >> an impact upon you? >> > > > >> eb >> ----- > >I agree with eb on this. I'm amazed at the Americans shown >on television that are crying and hysterically grieving. We >as a country need to realize that this celebrity-worship we >practice is not healthy. IMHO, that sort of emotion should >be reserved for the loss of family, friends, hell even pets >... but not someone who the average person has never even >met. > >Just so you know I'm not an ogre - I shed a tear watching >the kids walk behind the casket. It reminded me of my >father's death and the huge vacuum it left in our family. >You wouldn't think it would be the case, but the death of a >parent is equally devastating to a 25 year-old. Seven years >later (I'm 32 now) and I still regard it as the most >critical moment of my life. > >-- >Greg Welker welkerg@uakron.edu >CBA Computer Labs >The University of Akron > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub >scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. >tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not >directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 19:32:51 -0400 From: Daniel Barrett Subject: Re: [s-r] Re: [NSR] eb take on Diana death I've been silent about this as long as I can. I'm not sure if this is still the Shawn Colvin mailing list, but if it isn't would someone please steer me back there? I agree that if Shawn were "cut down in her prime" many of us would grieve. I also believe that this would be the place to do it...on her mailing list. If I want to talk about Diana, I'm sure there is a list somewhere where everyone can express their grief with other sympathizers. Danny P.S. I love my pets. At 04:48 PM 9/8/97, you wrote: >I find the HUBRIS in this thread disgusting. Here, now, two people have >discussed what sorts of emotions are appropriate for others, and when and >if they should be dispayed. > >One of the examples was that it's okay to grieve for pets, but not a human >life? Gimme a break. I have always grieved for my pets -- even when others >would say "it's just an animal, you can get a new one...." I also >sometimes grieve when a celebrity or public figure I respect or admire >passes on. It's not just about "celebrity worship," but about recognizing >the impact someone has had on people's lives and honoring it. Princess >Diana surely did a lot more for others than I might ever do. That was her >job -- one for which she had the resources and access afforded a celebrity. > If she hadn't been a celebrity, she would not have been able to do the >work she did do. There's nothing implicitly unhealthy about admiring >celebrities. Lots of people find it useful to have role models, no matter >how fairy-tale fantastic they might be. It's awfully arrogant to presume >you might know better who someone ought to respect and admire. > >And Eb said that she/he (?) grieved Burroughs -- why is that okay and not >Diana? Once again, one person's value system is the measure for everyone. >That is plain hubris. > >I'm sure the outpouring of grief and expressions of mourning would be >overwhelming if one celebrity -- Shawn Colvin -- was cut down in her prime >by some paparazzo or obsessed fan. Would that grief be okay? Shawn >creates beautiful art, but what has she done for starving people stricken >with poverty, or AIDS patients, or endning land-mine proliferation? I'm >sure everyone here (probably including me) would be crying their eyes out >if Shawn's life came to an end, so why cant't the people who admire Diana >similarly have their time to mourn and share that with others? Get a grip. > >And please, forgive me and everyone else if we don't use your emotional >barometer and compass to guide our way through life. And yet, somehow we >survive. > >One wonders how some people (would-be armchair psychiatrists to the nation) >get through the night knowing others are managing without following their >important recoomendations as to what's a healthy and normal emotional >expression. > >At 12:38 PM 9/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >>eireann wrote: >> >>> Perhaps I'm simply insensitive, but I really don't >>> understand why so >>> many people seem to be affected so deeply by the loss of a >>> woman hundreds of >>> thousands of people seemed to greatly admire but none of >>> them truly knew >>> other than from interviews or articles or news stories >>> about her. Her death >>> was a shame, I suppose, being so young, but don't most >>> deaths seem unjust? >>> What sort of effect did Diana have on your lives to make >>> her death have such >>> an impact upon you? >>> >> >> >> >>> eb >>> ----- >> >>I agree with eb on this. I'm amazed at the Americans shown >>on television that are crying and hysterically grieving. We >>as a country need to realize that this celebrity-worship we >>practice is not healthy. IMHO, that sort of emotion should >>be reserved for the loss of family, friends, hell even pets >>... but not someone who the average person has never even >>met. >> >>Just so you know I'm not an ogre - I shed a tear watching >>the kids walk behind the casket. It reminded me of my >>father's death and the huge vacuum it left in our family. >>You wouldn't think it would be the case, but the death of a >>parent is equally devastating to a 25 year-old. Seven years >>later (I'm 32 now) and I still regard it as the most >>critical moment of my life. >> >>-- >>Greg Welker welkerg@uakron.edu >>CBA Computer Labs >>The University of Akron >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub >>scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. >>tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not >>directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub >scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. >tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not >directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:05:06 +0100 From: "Adam Legge" Subject: [s-r] Singles Boring to the rest of you this may be, but has anyone any idea what's happening with the UK release of Sunny Came Home? The latest from the list was 08/09/97 but still no sign. The Sony/Columbia sales rep round here hasn't been selling it into record shops. The HMV central release list still has the release date as the 18th August and haven't a clue what's happened to it but have offered to put in an order for it and just see what happens. It's a bit disappointing because about a fortnight ago half page ads started appearing in some of the UK broadsheets advertising AFSR in general and Sunny Came Home specifically although with no details of a release date. It finally looked like Sony Columbia in the UK were actually going to do something to try and break her here. Of course it could be argued that they missed the best opportunity in the Summer when she played Glastonbury and was featured on the BBC coverage of the festival. It's all a bit frustrating and looking more and more likely that the crap UK Columbia management have decided to drop the single. IMHO some head hunting should be done from Capitol. For Christ's sake if someone there can get Meredith Brooks into the UK top ten on the strength of a US hit, can't they so the same for SC? Ad - --- Adam Legge adaml@dircon.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 09:45:30 -0700 From: Susan Krauss Subject: Re: [s-r] Singles I don't know if this has been discussed because I've been offline for the past couple of weeks - but I have a copy of the YOU & THE MONA LISA single (thanks to a good friend at Billboard). I don't know if this version of the single will be for sale - it's clearly meant for radio stations (it says "promo CD - not for sale"). It has four versions of the song with different mixes - radio edit - 3:27 alternative mix - 3:28 adult mix - 3:29 album version - 4:05 I've listened and can detect subtle differences between the tracks, but nothing I could talk about in an articulate fashion. Back to work. susan Susan Krauss Krauss Research skrauss@hooked.net http://www.wenet.net/~skrauss - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:57:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: [s-r] Re: [NSC] eb take on Diana death In a message dated 97-09-09 10:21:51 EDT, you write: << One wonders how some people (would-be armchair psychiatrists to the nation) get through the night knowing others are managing without following their important recommendations as to what's a healthy and normal emotional expression. >> Popluxe, at first this comment was extremely hillarious, but read again it was profound. - ---Moood - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 12:56:56 -0700 From: Susan Krauss Subject: Re: [s-r] Singles At 02:39 PM 9/9/97 -0400, Christopher B. Smith wrote: >On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Susan Krauss wrote: >> I don't know if this version of the single will be for sale - it's clearly >> meant for radio stations (it says "promo CD - not for sale"). It has four >> versions of the song with different mixes - >> >> radio edit - 3:27 >> alternative mix - 3:28 >> adult mix - 3:29 > ^^^^^ >What does "adult" mix mean? You'd think it'd mean something racy, but >that's obviously not the case (your reference to not being able to >describe it articulately). Anyone else know what that might imply? I presume adult means "adult contemporary" which is a radio format (I think they used to call it easy listening). susan Susan Krauss Krauss Research skrauss@hooked.net http://www.wenet.net/~skrauss - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 19:00:02 +0000 From: Andrew Stokell Subject: [s-r] Much heralded single in the UK Dear All I have to echo Adam's comments re. the Sunny came home single. I've been pestering my local record shops, but the majors, ie. Virgin, HMV etc. seem to know nothing more, and the small stores vary in their attitudes from 'If it's not on the shelves...' to 'It's our sort of thing, but the local Sony rep. hasn't been for a while.' Come on Sony pull your finger out!! Andrew - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:03:21 -0700 (PDT) From: petersns@whidbey.com Subject: [s-r] Re: Diana death NSC Okay, a couple comments: First off, I don't really find any of this hilarious. Perhaps mildly amusing in a cosmic sense, but we are talking about death. Second, we appear to be on yet another vicious debate. Please, can we just take everything more lightly? I know that arguing a topic to death can be quite fun, but I don't think it's worth it if people are going to be hurt or seriously offended. Me thinks there must be other mailing lists devoted to debate. Third, a few of my opinions which, knowing irony, will offend and hurt people: I never really followed Princess Diana's life; but from what I've heard, she was a good person, and so I'll regret her early death. However, I personally know lots of people who do what they can to make this planet better, some of whom have died recently, and it saddens me that so few people mourn their deaths. I think this is what ebrooks was trying to say. I know that the list gets rather empty at times, but it is after all a Shawn Colvin mailing list. I don't mind most of the NSC postings, but I think this is going a little too far. Maybe I'm not getting something and the majority of us _want_ to be a debate club. Further input would be appreciated-- but please try to keep it non-inflammatory. Thanks, Anna (of Anna & Lindsey-- my god, we've been separated for at least the next 12 hours) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:35:48 -0400 (EDT) From: DoYaBaybay@aol.com Subject: Re : [s-r] Just a Smidgen of Shawn Content Hey everyone... I just wanted to say that Jena: Warrior List Hostess is hysterical!!! << Picture, if you will, a country bumpkin, such as myself, who hails from a town with only one lighted intersection-- driving a mini-van in the mean streets of the Big Apple! ...armed with an E-Z Pass, I was doing REALLY WELL in Manhattan; only mildly intimidated by the alien race of yellow cabs that set off my usually quiet car horn; (I only flipped one person off).... >> I can't even imagine.... but I think I would have paid admission to see that. LOL. << what video comes on over the multiple monitors throughout the store? Why, Sunny Came Home, of course! I kid you not... it had a therapeutic effect on me.... >> Of course!! I've experienced "Shawn Therapy" many times and I highly recommend it. No offense to, ahem, pharmacists, but it beats swallowin pills. Ahhhh music... soothing the savage breast and all that rot... smiles and shawn videos..... ~~~janel~~~ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of small-repairs-digest V1 #86 ********************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs-digest' in the message body. 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