From: owner-small-repairs-digest@smoe.org (small-repairs-digest) To: small-repairs-digest@smoe.org Subject: small-repairs-digest V1 #71 Reply-To: $SENDER,small-repairs@smoe.org Sender: owner-small-repairs-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-small-repairs-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk small-repairs-digest Monday, August 25 1997 Volume 01 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [s-r] shawn concert nyc [Angelskm@aol.com] [s-r] Shawn on Sessions/West 54th [Elizabeth Richards ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:48:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Angelskm@aol.com Subject: [s-r] shawn concert nyc i just got tickets to the shawn show at the theater at madison square garden!!-its the day before my birthday so im really looking forward to it and thought you all would like to know-ok thats about it-kate - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:48:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Elizabeth Richards Subject: [s-r] Shawn on Sessions/West 54th Did anyone else catch Shawn on PBS last night? I just bought a TV yesterday and was going to tape it, but missed the first few lines of "Sunny Came Home." UGH! I enjoyed "Diamond in the Rough", but I was dissappointed that they only broadcast two songs. Oh well. Anyways, if anyone missed it, I could make an audiotape (minus a few lines of the 1st song!) - -Elizabeth - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:05:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Velvet0012@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [s-r] Shawn on Sessions/West 54th Subj: [s-r] Shawn on Sessions/West 54th Date: 97-08-24 16:42:07 EDT From: Velvet0012@aol.com Sender: owner-small-repairs@smoe.org Reply-to: Velvet0012@aol.com To: small-repairs@smoe.org (Shawn Mailing List) I saw Shawn last night on PBS. Not bad! I like her hair. I liked "Diamond In The Rough" as well. Elizabeth- "Kill The Messenger" was the first song, not Sunny, so you missed more than you thought, but it was a great show. Unfortunately, it was a little fuzzy. I watched it on channel 11, and it will air on channel 2 soon. I couldn't wait, so I just taped it. It's a good show; don't miss it. - --Jess ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. 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I just bought a TV yesterday and was going to tape it, but missed the first few lines of "Sunny Came Home." UGH! I enjoyed "Diamond in the Rough", but I was dissappointed that they only broadcast two songs. Oh well. Anyways, if anyone missed it, I could make an audiotape (minus a few lines of the 1st song!) - -Elizabeth - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:45:07 -0500 From: selisman@midway.uchicago.edu (Samuel Eric Lisman) Subject: [s-r] Lilith Well, this may be a first: I did not enjoy Lilith up in MN. Simple truth is, I shouldn't have been there in the first place. I went because a friend wanted me to, and I was able to fly up cheaply. And while I'm a huge Shawn, Dar Williams, and (to a lesser extent) Jewel fan, the majority of the music just left me cold. Also, the audience was terrible. Dar was moved to the main stage -- which I thought would be good. Originally she was to have been playing at pretty much the same time as Shawn -- which would have been bad...very, very bad. We had decided, that since we wanted to be at the main stage for the majority of the night (Sarah, who I was with, really wanted to see the big names -- Sarah, Indigo, Jewel, Shawn, and -- thanks to me -- Dar), we would skip Dar (I have already bought to tickets for Dar in Chicago next month). So, every thing was fine, right? Wrong. First, we were stuck in a terrrible location [we got lost on the way in, and the doors had been open for maybe a half an hour by the time we got there and I made a huge mistake: every out door concert I've been to has had the basic rules of "You will bring in nothing!..And you will like it!" So, I told her we shouldn't bring lawn chairs -- oops!] and had a tough time seeing. Second, because we were a ways back, we were surrounded not by people who were there for the music, but rather, by people who were there for the sake of being there. By the last, I mean people who refused to stop talking for ANY of the acts. So Dar coems on, and I stand and cheer. The people around us decide that in order to be heard over the music, they must talk more loudly. Of the hundred or so people I could easily view around us, maybe fifteen were listening to the music. The others were attempting to drown it out. Dar seemed in good spirits, and I guess there were enough people down by the stage who were paying attention that she felt she had some audience. But where we were, it was terrible. The few songs she did were fine, but it was difficult to hear. As Dar left they started to set up for Meredith Brooks and Sarah and I started to fight. We used to go out, and apperantly she still holds some anomiosity (despite our current friendship). I think it was the meaningful glances during _As Cool As I Am_ (a Dar song about a really lousy relationship) that really pissed me off. Hey, I may not be god's gift to women, but I'm not THAT bad. So, I went for a walk. Walking, and waiting in line for food, enabled me to miss Miss Brooks -- well, something went right. Good lord, she was awful: I found her voice to be annoying, her lyrics meaningless, and her guitar player was trying to rip off Jimi Hendrix and failing miserably. Returned to our spot in time for Shawn. I had already seen Shawn twice this summer (while I was back home in Vermont, I did a road trip around New England to see her) and enjoyed both shows. [Did I ever write reviews for those shows? And is it too late?] As this marked my sixth Shawn show over all, I was excited. If anything, the audience was even ruder for Shawn than they were for Dar. No one would shut up; no one would clap after songs; it was nightmarish. She did a trunciated version of the concerts from last month (leaving out Round of Blues, dammit) and looked like she wanted to get off the stage as quickly as possible. Even with my binoculars, it was tough to see, but she seemd pissed. The only time the audience paid attention was, of course, for Sunny. Jewel came next and finally every one shut up, stood, and paid attention -- at first. After all, most of the guys were there to see her, anyway. She was good and played a couple of songs off of Pieces, but then did the unthinkable. She played some unreleased songs -- gasp, gasp, shudder. The crowd turned off like my alarm clock during a black out (hey, it was the best I could come up with on short notice). Because I participate in the under side of the music world (bootlegs -- I've never made one, but I do buy them [Sorry Casey, I know that is the forbidden subject here]) I knew the words to these excellent unreleased songs. (Sarah would have known them too, if she had listened to the tapes I made and sent her last month.) It's a good thing I knew the words, because the audience decided to punish her by, guess what, talking loudly. They would only shut up when she returned to the songs they knew. They even talked through her yodelling! So she left, and on came the Indigo Girls. I don't really like the Indigo Girls. I know a lot of their stuff, but they just don't do it for me. [Here's where Sam shows how much better he is than everyone else.] So what did I do? Did I yell loudly so others were disturbed? No, I sat silently and allowed those who were interested to enjoy themselves. I should not feel special for behaving properly, but because of how everyone else was behaving, I do feel special. A lot of people left after Jewel, and even more after the Indigo Girls, so by the time Sarah McLauchlin (spelling) came out, it had thinned a great deal. She was innocuous and I just sat there. After she finished, most everyone had left (I told Sarah we should take out time rather than fight with the traffic in one of the worst set up parking schemes ever) so there were only a few (two or three thousand, maybe -- which is a few when you realize they claimed a total of 20,000) of us left fot the big finale: Big Yello Taxi. I think Dar returned to the stage for it, but Shawn did not. This added to my theory that Shawn's thoughts of the audience were similiar to mine. Oh yeah, they had some people come out for Closer To Fine during the Indigo Girls set, and still people wouldn't shut up. For example, it was decided that although Jewel was yodelling in the middle of the song, the people behind me would sing the verse that would normally have been there, despite the obvious fact that it would be performed after the yodelling solo. There was also the group of about a dozen teenage girls just in front of us, who listened to maybe three songs the entire night. What were they doing there? If you're not going to shut up when the Indigo Girls call up Sarah and Jewel (thus all three headlining acts on stage at once) then why go? Anyway, I have decided that general admission seating concerts are the perfect example of what Hobbes referred to as man in the state of nature. All normal rules of civility and appropriate behaviour go out the window. We show up at 2:30 and take the best spot we can; others show up at 6:00 and walk over us to get down toward the stage. Of course, I get it now, we were sitting that far away because we wanted to! Not because there was no room in front of us! How stupid of me! Further, having found Dar when she was an opening act, I try to give the openers as much respect as I can: there are few worse jobs in the enterainment industry than being an opening act. Thus, I try to listen to each act, if I like them great, if not, I stay quite and let others enjoy them. Why is this concept lost on so many others? The same thing is happening at this summer's Bob Dylan concerts. Some people talk straight through Ani's set, and then Ani's fans either leave before Bob, or talk through his act. God it pisses me off. So, sorry if I upset anyone with this post (and sorry about spelling and grammatical usage, as well) but, it was cathartic. I'm glad others had fun at Lilith -- they obviously didn't sit where we did. Sam - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:45:12 -0500 From: selisman@midway.uchicago.edu (Samuel Eric Lisman) Subject: [s-r] Four Questions -- no religious symbolism Four questions that I know if I can't find answers for here, I'll never find answers for: Which Bruce Hornsby album has Shawn on it? As I recall she does some duets and maybe a lead vocal with him. Also, last spring (the Small Repairs Tour) she sang a Prince song...something about a cove. What was the name of it? I saw a doouble CD benefiting (I think) a homeless project. Had Shawn and Freedy and some others on it. Are the songs just the normal versions or are they live or specially recorded? And has anyone come up with the lyrics for What I Get Paid For? She can't be saying what I think she's saying, can she? Thanks. Sam - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 00:14:25 -0000 From: Casey Subject: Re: [s-r] Four Questions -- no religious symbolism > Also, last spring (the Small Repairs Tour) she sang a Prince >song...something about a cove. What was the name of it? Uhhmmm ... I'm not familiar with a Prince song with "cove" in it. But if you mean "dove", then the name of the songs is "When Doves Cry". - -Casey - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 00:37:03 -0000 From: Casey Subject: Re: [s-r] Lilith > Walking, and waiting in line for food, enabled me to miss Miss >Brooks -- well, something went right. Good lord, she was awful: I found >her voice to be annoying, her lyrics meaningless, and her guitar player was >trying to rip off Jimi Hendrix and failing miserably. That's really odd. In addition to really liking Meredith's CD, 'Blurring The Edges', I've also had chance to see her live and she was fantastic. Very energetic and captivating. She had a great rapore with the audience and reminded me a lot of Poe live. Afterwords, I got to meet her and she signed my copy of her CD. We talked for quite a while (oddly enough ... there was very little security and only like 5 people stayed). She was very gracious, and reminded me a lot of Sarah and Tori with their fans -- like they really care. I'm sorry you didn't connect with her at Lilith. Maybe under better circumstances you'd like her a little better. >quickly as possible. Even with my binoculars, it was tough to see, but she >seemd pissed. The only time the audience paid attention was, of course, >for Sunny. I totally agree with this (and your later bitch about the Bob Dylan/Ani DiFranco concerts). There is nothing worse than a rude audience. I mean, some people -- I don't know. Why some people do certain things just baffle me. It's like, if you don't even like the music, why the hell would you pay $15-45 to come and then sit and talk?! > Jewel came next and finally every one shut up, stood, and paid >attention -- at first. After all, most of the guys were there to see her, >anyway. She was good and played a couple of songs off of Pieces, but then >did the unthinkable. She played some unreleased songs -- gasp, gasp, >shudder. Well, at my Lilith Jewel played for a full hour and during that whole time she only played 3 songs from 'Pieces...' -- the 3 singles. So, while I certainly didn't tune her out, I did get a little tired. I think an artist should find a happy medium, keeping in mind that they owe it their audience to play what the audience has heard and liked, you know. I mean afterall, it's probably the released stuff *why* most people are there in the first place. >made one, but I do buy them [Sorry Casey, I know that is the forbidden >subject here]) I knew the words to these excellent unreleased songs. No need to apologize, and the discussion is certainly not forbidden here. We just ask that if it gets to the point of actually asking for or offering a trade, that you take it off the list and make it a personal thing. On a rather off-topic subject, have you been reading about all the boot busts that have been occurring. They've practically shut down every major boot maker out there. I have the whole article from the Washington Post if anyone is interested. I actually think it's kind of sad, myself. > A lot of people left after Jewel, and even more after the Indigo >Girls, so by the time Sarah McLauchlin (spelling) came out, it had thinned >a great deal. She was innocuous and I just sat there. Oh, no. I wonder if something was wrong with Sarah that night. In general, she's been wowing all the Lilith audiences. BTW: it's *McLachlan*. Like at the Lilith I was at, people started to get up and leave after Jewel (which just REALLY chapped my backside ... since I think Sarah is like tied with Tori Amos as the most talented and prolific musician on the decade). But any way, it was neat because as people were getting up to leave and Sarah started into her first song and people were actually stopping and coming back. It was great to see. Then by her two last songs (the very rockin' "Sweet Surrender" and "Possession") people were literally on their feet, dancing in the aisles. This was a sold out show of 13,000 ... so this was a pretty awesome site. Then for her encore, she did "Ice Cream" and invited us to all sing a long. At one point, she stopped singing and the audience actually carried the song for almost an entire verse. It was great -- she was great. And I've heard the same thing about her performances at almost every other Lilith. So, like your view on Meredith, I really think it would change under better circumstances. >spelling and grammatical usage, as well) but, it was cathartic. I'm glad >others had fun at Lilith -- they obviously didn't sit where we did. Sounds like you had a really shitty time. And for this, I'm really sorry. Not because it was my fault or anything, but just because Lilith Fair for me was like the greatest music event I have thus far attended in my life :) - -Casey - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs' in the message body. FAQ & other info: http://www. tisd.net/~casey/shawn/small_repairs.html *REMEMBER* all posts not directly related to Shawn must have the tag 'NSC:' is their subject line - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of small-repairs-digest V1 #71 ********************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the list send mail to majordomo@smoe.org with 'unsub scribe small-repairs-digest' in the message body. 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