From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V12 #410 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, March 5 2013 Volume 12 : Number 410 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Gregory Dennis [Gregory Dennis ] Re: [RS] On a Sea of Fleur di Lis [=?utf-8?q?john_cl=C3=A9irigh?= ] [none] [paul craig ] [RS] The Elite Ate? [jimcolbert@aol.com] Re: [RS] The Elite Eight. [CLAIRE LATHAM ] Re: [RS] Elite Eight [Laurence Krulik ] Re: [RS] Elite Eight [ookpik@verizon.net] Re: [RS] Fw: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. [Dave McKay ] Re: [RS] quiet ["Michael & Linda Marmer" ] Re: [RS] Fw: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. ["Michael & Linda Ma] RE: [RS] quiet [margaret kraft ] Re: [RS] this latest round ["Laurence Krulik" ] Re: [RS] Night at the Opera or the folk concert. [Vanessa Wills Subject: [RS] Gregory Dennis Gregory Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 05:09:35 -0000 From: =?utf-8?q?john_cl=C3=A9irigh?= Subject: Re: [RS] On a Sea of Fleur di Lis Thanks Janet. You helped me realize I had not listened to the song beyond the first notes since about 2001. Viewing the lyrics as a foggy description of a dream, upon waking, helps me appreciate it without understanding it. =) - -- John Clary - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Janet Cinelli wrote: >>I just realized I never responded. I really couldn't tell you what this song is about. To me, it's a song with dream-like images. I feel there's a message here but I don't know what it is. When I first heard this line, "And in no time youd have your own See" I thought it was 'sea' but now that really puts the song in another realm. But what that realm is, I have no idea. I figured if the author of the song doesn't know what it's about, then there's no way I'll figure it out. It's just a lovely song and makes me feel hopeful when I hear it.<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:30:15 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [RS] Should Age Matter in Song Selection???? >> I'm 32 but I definitely fell in love with Richard's music during his "early period". << Thanks, Vanessa . . . I was actually going to use you, Buffy and Katie as examples of people who joined the list when they were young'uns and who might therefore scuttle the idea that young folks like the newer stuff and us old folks like the older stuff. I'm an old guy, yet I'm not necessarily MORE of a fan of his early stuff, as each of his releases have a mix of my favorite and least favorite songs. I could see, theoretically, that people who identify with songs might lean to them, but not necessarily just because of demographics. If you've moved around as much as I have, "Wisteria" might be a favorite. "Last Fare of the Day" might resonate strongly with someone with a personal connection to 9/11. Someone who's been in the military might have a soft spot for "The Things That I Have Seen." And yeah, someone with kids might lean towards "Grey Green" or "Castaway" (although in the tournament, "Castaway" lost to "Che Guevara T-Shirt" by a score of 26-7, which means there might be more stowaways on the list than parents). And, of course, the serial murderers among us would count "By Now" as their favorite. Me, I just like what I like. Maybe it's because Richard hasn't written any songs about old list moderators from New Jersey. Yet. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:48:45 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Should Age Matter in Song Selection???? There is only one Leonard Cohen!! I saw Cohen this past September and was blown away by the physical demandingness of his performance. He sang for four hours with only a twenty-minute intermission, and he sank to his knees, bounced up onto his toes, bounded across the stage... it was incredible. You can all imagine my joy when I first heard Richard cover "Famous Blue Raincoat". Matched by my delight when Richard covered one of my very favorite Peter Gabriel songs, "Mercy Street". On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Carol Love wrote: > Does anyone under 50 NOT think Rufus Wainwright is more dreamy when he does > Leonard Cohen than Leonard is??? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:19:50 -0500 From: Bart Gallagher Subject: [RS] Fwd: Vinyl Four Sorry but, I didn't see this post appear in the digest so here's a re-post. Here are Bart's Vinyl Four: 1. Courier (over Nora) 2. Reunion Hill (over Mary Magdalene) 3. Transit (over Fishing) 4. You Stay Here (over Wisteria) - Tough choice here I thought we were going to rank them? How 'bout for the Final? Assuming my picks make the Finals: 1. Transit 2. Courier 3. Reunion Hill 4. You Stay Here Though I may not have picked these from an unlimited list, as the head to head format bought us here. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 17:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: paul craig Subject: [none] http://gydesingenieria.com/www.abcnews.goodday.newwakeup1.php ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:55:10 -0500 (EST) From: jimcolbert@aol.com Subject: [RS] The Elite Ate? Courier over Nora Reunion Hill over Ballad Of Mary Magdalene Fishing over Transit (I know I'll be way outvoted on this one. "Transit" just wore thin for me a long time ago although it's virtually a signature song. Blaspehemy to some, I know. But just my opinion.) . Wisteria over You Stay Here For me, these were all pretty easy decisions. - -jim c ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 21:32:16 +0000 (GMT) From: CLAIRE LATHAM Subject: Re: [RS] The Elite Eight. Ooh... um... well... 1. Courier 2. Reunion Hill... Another tough one but the imagery won 3. I tossed and turned on this one and Sister Maria won... Transit 4. You stay here Claire 39, if the age things informs on my choices... Sent from my Z5 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:28:43 -0500 From: Laurence Krulik Subject: Re: [RS] Elite Eight On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:51 PM, wrote: > 1. Courier2. Reunion Hill3. Transit 4. You Stay Here > Jean, you are correct. Nicely done. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 11:51:57 -0600 (CST) From: ookpik@verizon.net Subject: Re: [RS] Elite Eight 1. Courier2. Reunion Hill3. Transit 4. You Stay Here Jean Rossner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 15:45:18 +0000 From: Dave McKay Subject: Re: [RS] Fw: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. Ron wrote: >>> Is just me about people talking at concerts, and I do not mean singing along, as I have no issues on that. << > > To me, they're both unacceptable. Unless the artist specifically invites everyone to sing along, > I wish people would realize that I paid to hear the performer, not you. If you want to sing along, > sing along at home to the CD. Absolutely, with two possible exceptions: 1) The artist is so loud that you can't here yourself sing, never mind anyone else. 2) It's an official artist-initiated singalong. Same goes for using phones/cameras/camcorders. Your little LCD screen is the distracting light in my peripheral vision. Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 18:40:25 -0500 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: Re: [RS] Night at the Opera or the folk concert. Hi Vanessa, Linda is my wife and is not on the list. So I will answer for her. We both realized that being quiet at all concerts is not the case, as we are seeing Great Big Sea this April and you are not going to have a full house quiet. Same for a Jimmy Buffett, etc. Its not going to be a quiet concert. but when sitting at many concerts, the talking is just rude to all around you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYOY9ruPer0 A GBS song, as you can see, you do not sit for the concert. O:)! But being at most folk concerts, it ruins the evening. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 6:42:22 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [RS] Fw: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. >> Is just me about people talking at concerts, and I do not mean singing along, as I have no issues on that. << To me, they're both unacceptable. Unless the artist specifically invites everyone to sing along, I wish people would realize that I paid to hear the performer, not you. If you want to sing along, sing along at home to the CD. At one of Tim Blixt's house concerts -- with a small 25 person audience -- a woman insisted on singing harmony to Richard's songs. Richard was too polite to ask her to stop -- and to be honest, she wasn't bad -- but she ruined the show for me. The other thing I hate is people clapping at the beginning of songs, which often throws the artist off their rhythm. It's like it's gotten to be a little game of "See how few notes it takes you to recognize the song and make sure to be the first one to clap so you can show the rest of the audience that you're a real fan." Or listen to "Famous Blue Raincoat" on the Vermont CD as someone screams out at the beginning of the song. Doesn't it just take you right out of the mood? Jeff Tweedy has it right on. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 19:05:24 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Night at the Opera or the folk concert. Totally agreed. On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > We both realized that being quiet at all concerts is not the case, as we > are seeing Great Big Sea this April and you are not going to have a full > house quiet. > > Same for a Jimmy Buffett, etc. Its not going to be a quiet concert. > > but when sitting at many concerts, the talking is just rude to all around > you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 10:46:11 -0500 From: Pete Jameson Subject: [RS] quiet Mike, Really spot-on speech by Tweedy. Funny thing is, I've been "shushed" at Richard's shows for singing...Imagine a world where someone thinks they have the right to tell you not to sing? (and, yeah, i know the insipid argument that you paid to hear Shindell)... "When you sing, you pray twice..." Pedro in PA On Mar 4, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew3AOlbJXos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:50:38 -0500 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: Re: [RS] quiet It is my feeling that those who talk like the way some do, don't really care about the show per say, or the artist, as it is more of a social event for them to go out and act like it is a "party", like when you have music playing and everyone is talking. Ahh the old days of college parties. But anyway, unless "we" all speak out more, get a usher, etc. do not confront the person as I learned, it is going to get worse and worse. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:53:56 -0500 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: Re: [RS] Fw: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. I don't care for people singing, either, as I came to see the performer sing, but I figure, I better not say anything on that. Many times at concerts, people singing are so horrible, off key, shrilling voice, that is ear piecing, . When I recorded the things I did at the Shindell concert, I was at the back wall and I had the back of the camera covered up so I would not bother anyone, as I understand their rights too. Mike - -----Original Message----- From: ronsfolkchords@cox.net Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:42 AM To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: Re: [RS] Fw: Night at the Opera or the folk concert. >> Is just me about people talking at concerts, and I do not mean singing >> along, as I have no issues on that. << ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:20:43 -0500 From: margaret kraft Subject: RE: [RS] quiet My 0.02 about crowd noise. I wanted to stand up and cheer just seeing the video of Tweedy. I don't particularly mind singing unless it is so loud that I cannot hear the artist I paid to hear. I was at a show at Eddie's Attic (where there is a very large sign behind the stage that asks for quiet as well as an announcement made before the show) to see Rebecca Loebe a few months ago. Brandy Carlile was performing after Becca's set. There were folks with VIP armbands (presumably with Brandy) talking VERY loudly a few tables over from me. I shushed them and they didn't slow down a bit. I then got out of my seat, walked over, and asked very nicely that they be quiet or go out on the patio. They looked surprised that they might be disturbing anyone. I got "thumbs up" from the stage (and later found out the talking was loud enough to distract the performers). The friends I was with called me the "Shut the F up Police." I'm good with that title. Margaret (very excited to see Richard Thursday night) > > Really spot-on speech by Tweedy. Funny thing is, I've been "shushed" at Richard's shows for singing...Imagine a world where someone thinks they have the right to tell you not to sing? (and, yeah, i know the insipid argument that you paid to hear Shindell)... > > "When you sing, you pray twice..." > > Pedro in PA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 06:23:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Laurence Krulik" Subject: Re: [RS] this latest round Finally someone who picked all my picks. Nice job, Beth. On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Beth DeSombre wrote: > Haven't read anyone else's votes yet, because I didn't want to be > influenced. So I'd better vote so I can get back to reading the digest. > 1. Nora vs *Courier* > This one's tough. I've changed my mind at least three times about which > one I would pick. Ultimately, though, the mystery that brought Nora this > far for me is probably what keeps it from making it to the next round for > me. > 2. Mary Magdalene vs. *Reunion Hill* > AAUGH. I think I have to pick Reunion Hill, which I think is a nearly > perfect song. But I love both the humor an sensitivity in Mary M., and the > fact that it's not a song anyone else could have written. If these two > were the final two I'd be okay with that, and would rather have done my > agonizing there. > 3. *Transit* vs. Fishing > Yikes. Have to choose Transit, but Fishing for me would beat out either of > the ones in pairing #4 (and probably group 1 too.). I wish the group 2 > ones and group 3 ones could all advance instead of groups 1 and 4. > 4. *You Stay Here* vs. Wisteria > I don't think it will advance, but I probably have to choose You Stay Here > over Wisteria, which keeps perfect my record of voting against Wisteria in > all rounds of this tournament. I do like it though; just not as much. The > simplicity (and beautiful guitar work) in YSH make it powerful. > Beth > Beth DeSombre > www.bethdesombre.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 18:13:48 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Night at the Opera or the folk concert. I agree as far as *folk* and acoustic concerts go, but wouldn't extend it to all music as I understand Linda to be recommending (Linda, please correct me if I'm putting words in your mouth here). For instance, I went to see Peter Gabriel this past summer and I cannot imagine behavior any *more* appropriate to that situation than standing up along with thousands of other fans all belting out the lyrics to "Sledgehammer" with abandon. I simply do not buy that the fans in the seats all around me (my mom and I included) were somehow insufficiently respectful of, serious about, or attentive to the performance Peter was putting on because they weren't perfectly silent. Different performances, different spaces, and different musical contexts call for different types of audience behavior, it seems to me. I would actually hate to see the norms of classical music audience behavior get extended to all other types of music (not that there's much danger of this). Oh, but I should say I totally agree on talking and jibber-jabber. Jibber-jabber is NEVER OK in an audience situation. - --V On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 5:51 PM, wrote: > >> To me, it's disrespectful to the performers, as well as other audience > members. << > > Agreed. Some would call this opinion -- what's the word? -- oh yeah, > "insipid," but to me, singing along at a folk concert without invitation > from the artist is as inappropriate and rude as, say, bringing your own > violin to a classical concert so you can play along. ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V12 #410 ************************************