From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V12 #408 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, March 4 2013 Volume 12 : Number 408 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: The Elite Eight [ozwoman321@aol.com] [RS] Should Age Matter in Song Selection???? [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] Should Age Matter in Song Selection???? [Chris Foxwell ] Re: [RS] Should Age Matter in Song Selection???? [Shelda Eggers Subject: [RS] Should Age Matter in Song Selection???? Laurence wrote: > Finally someone who picked all my picks. Nice job, Beth .....We were talking last week about the mark between "early" and "late" Shindell. As we join Facebook, I notice that I am actually NOT one of RS's youngest fans!! Imagine my surprise! *:-)* By looking a pictures, I see that Lawrence, Amy, Vanessa and surely some I am missing are surely Gen X'ers or even younger. I've seen Lawrence and Vanessa pick songs that were the opposite of what I would have chosen. Lawrence and Beth picked the "other song" from me in this last four. So, based on little scientific evidence, I wonder if your life stage matters in your song selection. I thought I saw that "Castaway" scored bigger with parents than non-parents, and that would only make sense. Any ideas on age demographics and song selection?? Does anyone under 50 NOT think Rufus Wainwright is more dreamy when he does Leonard Cohen than Leonard is??? *Ciao!* ......Carol ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 08:15:41 -0500 From: Carol Love Subject: [RS] The Elite Eight ~ Sorry for the first misfire... 1. Courier 2. Reunion Hill (somehow more haunting than MM) 3. Transit 4. Wisteria ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 08:54:00 -0500 From: Beth DeSombre Subject: [RS] this latest round Haven't read anyone else's votes yet, because I didn't want to be influenced. So I'd better vote so I can get back to reading the digest. 1. Nora vs *Courier* This one's tough. I've changed my mind at least three times about which one I would pick. Ultimately, though, the mystery that brought Nora this far for me is probably what keeps it from making it to the next round for me. 2. Mary Magdalene vs. *Reunion Hill* AAUGH. I think I have to pick Reunion Hill, which I think is a nearly perfect song. But I love both the humor an sensitivity in Mary M., and the fact that it's not a song anyone else could have written. If these two were the final two I'd be okay with that, and would rather have done my agonizing there. 3. *Transit* vs. Fishing Yikes. Have to choose Transit, but Fishing for me would beat out either of the ones in pairing #4 (and probably group 1 too.). I wish the group 2 ones and group 3 ones could all advance instead of groups 1 and 4. 4. *You Stay Here* vs. Wisteria I don't think it will advance, but I probably have to choose You Stay Here over Wisteria, which keeps perfect my record of voting against Wisteria in all rounds of this tournament. I do like it though; just not as much. The simplicity (and beautiful guitar work) in YSH make it powerful. Beth Beth DeSombre www.bethdesombre.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 02:55:09 +0300 From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] Should Age Matter in Song Selection???? On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Carol Love wrote: > > So, based on little scientific evidence, I wonder if your life stage > matters in your song selection. I thought I saw that "Castaway" scored > bigger with parents than non-parents, and that would only make sense. > > Any ideas on age demographics and song selection?? > I've often thought about similar things. At 34 years of age, and having never owned a house, I sometimes shake my head at how strongly "Wisteria" resonates with me. Ditto for "Fleur-de-Lis", with its narrator's overwhelming longing for motherhood (as I interpret it) -- there I'm crossing gender lines. Of course there exists a perfectly reasonable explanation for each case, and for others. Perhaps not quite as obvious as that which makes me gush over "Cancion Sencilla", but pretty straightforward nonetheless. Still, though. It's kinda funny. Here I am, a man-child who barely qualifies as a functioning adult, expatriated from the U.S. and any sort of home-owner's status for Lord knows how long, getting all emotionally attached to a song about nostalgia for one's first house. Sh'yeah, okay. Chris - -- "We were born in a dark age out of due time (for us). But there is this comfort: otherwise we should not know, or so much love, what we do love. I imagine the fish out of water is the only fish to have an inkling of water." --J.R.R. Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:07:49 -0500 From: Bart Gallagher Subject: [RS] Plug in and Turn It Up! On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Pete wrote: > I'm digging the full band thing, but it > may be time to COLLABORATE with another far out band like Olabelle or just > remake yourself in the image of a master songsmith gone ELECTRIC and balls > out! Sorry, school marms, it's two thousand-fucking-thirteen and that's how i > feel... I saw RS with Olabelle a few years back. Don't believe there is an official recording, or a songwriting collaboration yet. And, yes Pete. I've written in the past that I saw jamming opportunities here and there, and wished one would develop. Relax Dylan Hecklers, I'm not looking for a full blown-out Phish Fishing. Just a bit more extended improvising. Say, por ejemplo, at the end of Transit. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 20:13:26 -0500 From: Bill Bates Subject: [RS] final four etc. Missed the last round! This has been very fun reading all the posts when for a time there would be a post every 2 months or more. My Picks for the Final Four are: 1. Courier over Nora (both of these songs are in the top 5 (or 3?) of RS greatest achievements! Very hard to say no to Nora, but I feel that Courier is his best song.) 2. Reunion Hill over Ballad Of Mary Magdalene (sublime, romantic storytelling is found on both songs, but some of RS's best fingerstyle guitar work is on Reunion Hill, and It's story a bit more of an emotional tug for me) 3. Transit over Fishing (this song has caused more consecutive shivers up the spine than any other RS selection, and there has been a couple performances I have witnessed through the years where I think he may have been feeling it too) 4. Wisteria over You Stay Here (Very similar to Reunion Hill in fingerstyle technique, and actually harder to play. Only one of these songs should remain by the next round. Wisteria is a better song than You Stay Here, but not by much. There are so many other songs that I would gladly trade places with this song (for instance, Nora!) , only due to the fact that Reunion Hill and Wisteria, to me, are similar in technique. Wisteria is more technically advanced in my opinion, but Reunion Hill has slighlty better prose, which is what RS is all about. Thanks for reading my post and counting my vote! I look forward to this coming Thursday... First Show Ever, Etc: I agree what some have said that "early" RS ends at "Somewhere Near Patterson". Funny because I remember that where I am from (Northampton, MA area), that album was the last time he attempted to book two gigs on consecutive days. The second gig was cancelled due to lack of ticket sales. It was also the first time that I saw him out that way (saw him a year earlier for the first time ever in Tarrytown, NY, OPENING for Lucy. It was the best RS show I have ever seen, and have seen him about 13 times. I was in the last row but it didn't matter. Lucy always makes it better for RS, they have that quality, and I would spend half a crown to see a Cry Cry Cry reunion). Anyway, not really sure how long he had been selling shows so well as to book another consecutive gigs, but I'm sure at the time it had a lot to do with the absoutely perfect "Courier", which was how I found out about him (thanks to WVUV). Anyway, when I heard "Not Far Now" for the first time, I instantly loved it and proclaimed "Richard's back!" Looking forward to his next release, impatiently. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 20:37:36 -0600 From: Shelda Eggers Subject: Re: [RS] Should Age Matter in Song Selection???? Chris wrote: >Ditto for "Fleur-de-Lis", with its narrator's overwhelming longing >for motherhood (as I interpret it) -- there I'm crossing gender >lines. Hmm... now there's an interpretation that never occurred to me. Had to go back and read the words again, and I kinda sorta see where that's coming from. I hear 'with my baby' in a very different way. Interpretation of such an ambiguous song is a curious thing indeed. Very interesting also about the age thing in song selection. Carol wrote: >Does anyone under 50 NOT think Rufus Wainwright is more dreamy when he does >Leonard Cohen than Leonard is??? Oh, the sacrilege! But then, I'm not in the under 50 crowd. Shelda ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V12 #408 ************************************