From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V12 #398 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, February 25 2013 Volume 12 : Number 398 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Re: [RS] Pickin' and grinnin'. [Vanessa Wills ] Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V12 #396 [Vanessa Wills ] Re: [RS] shindell-list Facebook page [Howie ] Re: [RS] Yahoo Groups [rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] =?utf-8?B?T25lIG1vcmUgY292ZXI=?= [=?utf-8?B?bW1rMjYyQGhvdG1haWwuY29t] Re: [RS] Re: [RS] Pickin' and grinnin'. [] Re: [RS] Re: [RS] Pickin' and grinnin'. [Laurence Krulik ] Mary Magdalen(e) Re: [RS] Joan and Mary? [Norman Johnson Subject: Re: [RS] Re: [RS] Pickin' and grinnin'. And here, I am not ashamed to admit I would have some real grieving to do if the e-mail-based Shindell-list were to die. (Says the person who has been active on this list for the whole of her adult life. A number of you have seen me go from college student to college professor right here.) I also like that (as far as I know) smoe.org is pretty hands-off and how we use the list is between us, our ISPs, and Ron. I channel my shindell-list e-mails into a folder and that helps with the inbox. - --V On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Laurence Krulik wrote: > I'm fine with the way it is, but I'd be just as happy with a migration and > a cleaner inbox. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:16:19 -0500 From: =?utf-8?B?bW1rMjYyQGhvdG1haWwuY29t?= Subject: [RS] =?utf-8?B?Rk4gdnMuIERpc2N1c3Npb24gbGlzeQ==?= Laurence, I am glad to hear that you have had successful migrations. I haven't had any luck with participation for a music and a non-music group migration Margaret Sent from my Verizon Wireless Smartphone - ----- Reply message ----- From: "Laurence Krulik" To: "shindell-list" Subject: [RS] Re: [RS] Pickin' and grinnin'. Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 12:15 pm >> Discussion boards offer a level of interaction that FB simply cannot approach Respectfully, I disagree here. FB Groups offer a nice to way to host these discussions topics with a cleaner interface. Also, I'd argue it's a little more personal as folks can reach out to others individually and connect on a more social level. It allows you to see how many people viewed your "post", engage more folks with "likes" and provide an easy archive of all the chatter. Also, we might be able to engage more folks to join the "list" because I'm sure other Shindell fans are looking for an outlet on FB and might not know about the list. I'm fine with the way it is, but I'd be just as happy with a migration and a cleaner inbox. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:39:55 -0500 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V12 #396 Georgette Great, then don't read the post. And I can understand your feelings, but most here will not be seeing Shindell in Concert. Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Georgette deFriesse Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:35 AM To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V12 #396 Michael & Linda Marmer" queried: I don't why someone would not want to read a concert review, even if they are seeing the next day. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:40:14 -0500 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: [RS] Yahoo Groups Ron, Not sure if you ever looked at Yahoo for the discussion groups they have to one for Shindell. I own a folk group, not much activity, as we have about 300 members. You can post photo's, etc. They have a nice way of archiving past messages, etc. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:35:25 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V12 #396 Is there any way we can put this one to bed? It's really not that serious! I'm amazed this is even an issue and am frustrated and saddened by the fact that this "debate" is probably discouraging people from writing show reports who otherwise would. This is really a conversation that only needs to happen between a reader and his/her own delete key. Can't see the reason to go peeing in other people's cornflakes. Remember many (most?) of us are seeing Richard just once or not at all. There are a ton of folks on this list for whom show reports are all we've got! So please, friends, if you would: have a giving heart and loop us in. :) Just put "show report" or "concert review" or similar in the subject line, and spoiler-eaters and spoiler-phobes can continue to coexist quite peacefully as they have on this list for almost two decades so far. - --V P.S. A couple weeks back, I wrote a post with examples of different types of show reports, from the simple and straight-forward, to the more detailed. If you're thinking of writing a show report and don't know where to start, that might give you some ideas. http://www.smoe.org/lists/shindell-list/v12.n373 On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Georgette deFriesse wrote: > you all don't tell Richard's jokes as well as he does. Because a review > that tells you everything you're going to hear the next night is like > watching movie in a theater with someone behind you telling his date what's > going to happen next in the movie. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:17:22 -0500 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: Re: [RS] SPOILER: Jammin Java Set list Sunday Feb 24 I was great to met Sue and her Husband Mike for dinner at the show, at Anita's in Vienna, VA, one of our favorite places before going to a show at Jammin Java or the Barns of Wolftrappe. Really nice people, hope to keep in touch with them and see them again, sometime. Jammin Java was pretty packed, over 200, as I have been here before, with maybe 20 for a concert for someone else we follow. We have a show here in April for Ron Sexsmith, then a week later, Garnet Rogers, then the Warner Theatre in DC, GREAT BIG SEA, a group we fell in love with in 2008. Oh, and a Baltimore Symphony concert featuring Beethoven 7th, at Strathmore in MD. Pretty busy time, as we also go downtown to DC to get baseball tickets for 10 Sundays, at Nationals Park. Anyway, the show was really good, I am glad that Sue kept a playlist, as I do not do that. Very interesting to see Richard with a bass, a guitar player and the unusual style of drumming. I do not know much about the three with him. I do have some video of the show, which I will post on Youtube as the batteries are charging. My plan was to let the camera run mainly for the audio, but that did not work out as planned. Batteries are almost 2 years old and I use the camera a lot. I need to get new batteries that will hold up to the power time they are intended for. I got a lot of audio too. I was surprised that he started off with Transit, as that was fine. Overall good concert, as Sue's description is great. Okay, this Saturday, David Buskin and Robin Batteau as we first saw them January 4, 1984 at the Kennedy Center in DC as part of Tom Rush's Club 47 with Nanci Griffith, the late Bill Morrissey and one other, who did not make that much of a impression. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDiaDF2c6pw Some of you know of Lucy's version of Guinevere, but Robin wrote it and this is him singing it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHmD-ST7Iag For those who do not know of Great Big Sea, this is from their box set, which reflects upon 20 years as a group with old video's inter twined in the video. Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Sue Maskaleris Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:16 AM To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: [RS] SPOILER: Jammin Java Set list Sunday Feb 24 And a great time was had by all, especially the boys in the band. Mark was in great form and Richard turned him loose and let him rock the house with some great solos. Richard was sad, it was the last night for the 4 of them--Lincoln and Joe would not be accompanying them on the trip 'further South". He really enjoyed working with them, I think. Joe's percussion set up was truly unique...it looked like he went through a thrift shop and scarfed up whatever odds and ends were there that would make noise Had seats right in front of Richard, not 5 feet from the stage. More detailed review after I've gotten some sleep. Mike's review will probably be better anyway, he has more RS experience than I. Transit Kenworth of my Dreams Next Best Western Deer on the Parkway Northbound 35 (request) Careless Satellites Break Your Guitar Stray Cow Blues (Vanessa, your funky mike was back) Blue Northern Lights Clara Juggler out in Traffic Are You Happy Now There Goes Mavis Encore : I Know You Rider Arrowhead Later, Sue No longer an RS virgin ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 07:56:45 -0500 From: Toby Subject: [RS] Tin Angel 2/23 Vanessa's show recap was great! I didn't write the set list down this time either, but I do remember that he opened with Transit. When he does that, I always expect him to say good night and walk off stage :) I think pretty much the rest of the show was as Vanessa said. Vanessa, I think I passed you when I headed back to the ladies room-we met years ago at a World Cafe show :) You were along the wall, just to the side of the stage, right? I'm the goofball with the dog named Nora....I thanked Richard after the show for playing it-I had asked him after the New Hope show if he would do it at the Tin Angel. He said the band didn't know it....but apparently that didn't matter. It was beautifully done, as always. He remembered meeting Nora at Concerts Under the Stars almost 7 years ago when she was a puppy. I have a cherished photo of him with her in his arms, he's giving her a big ol' hug. Richard mentioned how much he loves the Tin Angel...he said its like a pressure cooker, kind of do-or-die there. It's one of my favorite places to see music. Ellis Paul and Francis Dunnery come there all the time, apparently they love it too! Us Philly music fans are truly a lucky bunch:) Toby in PA Sent from my iPad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:32:00 -0500 From: Howie Subject: Re: [RS] shindell-list Facebook page Well, I'm not on FB, and don't really expect to change that any time soon. I'm thrilled that this list has come back to life and hope it continues. I'll contribute to it as I can. - -Howie At 01:38 PM 2/25/2013, you wrote: >My apologies for sending more messages in quick succession than I have in >the last several years. But I decided to take up the gauntlet and set up a >FB group. For now, it's closed but not secret--meaning that you need to be >invited to join, but people can see that the group exists (according to >your privacy settings). Figured that would cut down on spam, but I'm happy >to change it if the group prefers. I agree that it would be very sad to >lose the email list, but now there's a parallel home for those who prefer. > >Invitation to follow. > >~Amy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:57:01 -0500 (EST) From: rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Yahoo Groups >> Not sure if you ever looked at Yahoo for the discussion groups they have to one for Shindell. << Yeah, the Dave & Tracy, Tracy Grammer, Lori McKenna, Antje Duvekot and Mark Erelli groups are there as well, but I think the Yahoo Group approach is sort of old-school as well, and those groups I mentioned have little or no activity anymore. Plus, it's harder to block spam. The benefit to going the Facebook route is what I'm assuming is the already-installed base of Shindell-listers. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:54:47 -0500 From: =?utf-8?B?bW1rMjYyQGhvdG1haWwuY29t?= Subject: [RS] =?utf-8?B?T25lIG1vcmUgY292ZXI=?= I heard another cover favorite this morning. Vance Gilbert's "Angels, Castles, and Covers" CD is great start to finish, but the standout for me us "Save the Last Dance." The arrangement is slowed down and almost mournful, which really fits the lyrics. Particularly when you know that Doc Pomus was ill, on crutches, and physically unable to dance with his wife in his later years. Margaret Sent from my Verizon Wireless Smartphone - ----- Reply message ----- From: "Carol Love" To: Subject: [RS] More covers Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:53 am Margaret wrote: > I would add "We Belong" to this list. Written by Eric Lowen and Dan > Navarro, > recorded by Pat Benatar. However, Dan & Eric closed every show I ever > heard > them play with it. ....Wow. I did not know that. "We Belong" is the one Pat Benatar song I love on it's own merit, not because it's great 80's nostalgia for me. (The 80's were the great fuzzy decade where I came of age, went to college and closed out by marrying my husband. So, since I was really there, I don't remember the decade well... :-) Just looked up the original on you tube. Wow. Again. I notice that Dan looks a lot like Chili Pepper cousin, Dave. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTuo5g46fU (singing starts @ 1:17) ....CL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:08:22 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [RS] Re: [RS] Pickin' and grinnin'. >> I am not ashamed to admit I would have some real grieving to do if the e-mail-based Shindell-list were to die. << Same here, although it HAS been on life support up until Much Madness. In any case, I'm not sure how the FB interface would have allowed for a discussion like we've been having here over the last couple of weeks. It's really just not set up for a specific thread like this, and DEFINITELY not ideal for long posts. But FB has its place, and I would be thrilled if there was more interaction between list members on FB, including, if someone felt like setting it up, a specific FB group for RS list members. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:15:26 -0500 From: Laurence Krulik Subject: Re: [RS] Re: [RS] Pickin' and grinnin'. >> Discussion boards offer a level of interaction that FB simply cannot approach Respectfully, I disagree here. FB Groups offer a nice to way to host these discussions topics with a cleaner interface. Also, I'd argue it's a little more personal as folks can reach out to others individually and connect on a more social level. It allows you to see how many people viewed your "post", engage more folks with "likes" and provide an easy archive of all the chatter. Also, we might be able to engage more folks to join the "list" because I'm sure other Shindell fans are looking for an outlet on FB and might not know about the list. I'm fine with the way it is, but I'd be just as happy with a migration and a cleaner inbox. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:07:48 +0000 From: "Thomas, Tracey" Subject: [RS] Much madness: Sweet Sixteen Here are my votes. I didn't find these choices too hard, as the ones I chose are some of my favorite Shindell songs. 1. Nora 2. Next Best Western 3. Last Fare of the Day 4. Wisteria 5. Fishing 6. Transit 7. Courier 8. You Stay Here Tracey Thomas, MPH, CCRA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:56:31 -0500 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: [RS] subjects I have no problems with someone suggesting something for the list, but in the end, it is up to the moderator/owner to make that decision whether a topic is okay or not okay to talk about. If one has a further objection, I think they should write in private their concerns to the moderator/owner of the list. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:09:26 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: Mary Magdalen(e) Re: [RS] Joan and Mary? Johannes wrote: >> Joan Baez played it live regularly in 2011 and 2012. I still prefer >> Richard's version over all the others, although it's nice to hear the song with female vocals, too.<< Interesting. >> Funnily, the song is spelled "The Ballad of Mary Magdalene" on >> "Blue Divide", but without the last 'e' on all subsequent releases (Courier, Cry3, 13 Songs). Stuff like that bothers me a tiny little bit. But Richard probably has his reasons.<< Richard is particular/ anal (take your pick) - he found that the sans e version was more correct. Recall that he changed the lyrics to Arrowhead and even Cold Missouri Waters to make them more accurate. Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V12 #398 ************************************