From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V12 #394 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, February 24 2013 Volume 12 : Number 394 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Covers that come back to RS!! [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] More covers [Jean Rossner ] Re: [RS] Much Madness: Sweet Sixteen. [Nancy Scott ] [RS] Covers [Bart Gallagher ] Re: [RS] Pancho & Leonard [RFC ] Re: [RS] More covers [RFC ] Re: [RS] Covers and Carpenters [Shelda Eggers ] Re: [RS] Covers and Carpenters [Jean Rossner ] RE: [RS] Much Madness: Sweet Sixteen. ["Claire Latham" ] Re: [RS] Covers and Carpenters [Carol Love ] [RS] Sweet 16 picks and musings [Phueber@aol.com] [RS] Round 3 [Bart Gallagher ] Re: [RS] What's "Early RS?" [Norman Johnson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:52:26 -0500 From: Carol Love Subject: [RS] Covers that come back to RS!! Bart wrote: > Crazy is indeed a signature song for Patsy Cline, but is it a cover? Yes, > it was written by Willie Nelson and was actually shopped to her. > I always thought a cover is a song previously performed (recorded) by > someone else (usually the writers). I could be wrong. .......Bad Bart, you are in fact correct. HOWEVER, I heard from the man himself that he knew Joan Baez was shopping for songs and he wrote "Reunion Hill" with shopping it to her in mind!!!! Also, back for the 10 minutes I was a music critic, I got to interview John Prine. His covers are more known to the general public than his originals. I asked him if he had a favorite and without hesitation he said that it was Bonnie Raitt with "Angel From Montgomery". ...CL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:52:12 -0500 From: Jean Rossner Subject: Re: [RS] More covers At 2:40 PM -0500 2/23/13, Norman Johnson wrote: >There are also some technical covers where the best known version of >the song is actually a cover. Janis Joplin was not the first to >record Me and Bobby McGee - Gordon Lightfoot did it a year earlier. Hadn't Kris Kristofferson (who wrote it) recorded it even earlier? Or did that come later? Jean, too lazy to go look that one up - -- "There are but two refuges from the miseries of life: music and cats." - Albert Schweitzer >^.,.^< FolkCrossing.net: a blog at the intersection of the folk roads ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:45:23 -0800 From: Nancy Scott Subject: Re: [RS] Much Madness: Sweet Sixteen. Hi all, Ok to join in at this stage? here are my picks from the "Sweet Sixteen" - #2 was painful. Next Best Western is easily one of my favorites. But the imagery and themes in Reunion Hill made it impossible for me to eliminate it...... 1. Nora 2. Reunion Hill 3. Mary Magdalene 4. Wisteria 5. Fishing 6. Transit 7. Che Guevara T-Shirt 8. You Stay Here - -nancy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:55:21 -0500 From: Jean Rossner Subject: Re: [RS] Covers that come back to RS!! At 5:52 PM -0500 2/23/13, Carol Love wrote: > > I asked him if he had a favorite and without hesitation he said that it >was Bonnie Raitt with "Angel From Montgomery". It seems to be a minority opinion, but while I usually love Bonnie Raitt's singing, I HATE what she did to Chris Smither's song "Love You Like a Man." Jean - -- "There are but two refuges from the miseries of life: music and cats." - Albert Schweitzer >^.,.^< FolkCrossing.net: blogging at the crossroads of folk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:31:48 -0500 From: Bart Gallagher Subject: [RS] Covers Crazy is indeed a signature song for Patsy Cline, but is it a cover? Yes, it was written by Willie Nelson and was actually shopped to her. I always thought a cover is a song previously performed (recorded) by someone else (usually the writers). I could be wrong. Pete said: Atlantic City" -- Bruce Springsteen's original was measurably improved by The Band's recording... Yeah, I agree, to me it's Levon's singing and the mandolin. Norman - Superstar was co-written by Bonnie Bramlett, Leon Russell and Delaney Bramlett. The Carpenter's cover is most popular, but the lesser known Delaney & Bonnie original floored me. Shame, Karen Carpenter did have a wonderful voice. Bart On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Carol wrote: > HOWEVER, the best cover of all time is Patsy Cline's "Crazy". (A lot of > folks don't know that's a Willie Nelson song...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:41:06 -0800 From: RFC Subject: Re: [RS] Pancho & Leonard Re: "Other Voices, Other Rooms." I love half of it to death...Great Divide, Clare to Here, Do Re Mi, Cowboy's Lament, the Prine cover and a few others. The rest are snoozers to me, but Nanci sure knows how to do covers. On Feb 23, 2013, at 1:42 AM, john clC)irigh wrote: > I really like Nanci's compositions but this is one of my desert island > albums. Not a skipper on it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:47:16 -0800 From: RFC Subject: Re: [RS] More covers Making it the definitive version in my book, and although not an RS original, one of my top ten favorite songs he's recorded. On Feb 23, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Norman Johnson wrote: > And then there are cases when another artist covers a song before the original artist did. That happened with Richard's cover of Calling the Moon - SNP came out about eight months before Dar's The Green World. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 20:57:29 -0600 From: Shelda Eggers Subject: Re: [RS] Covers and Carpenters Jean wrote: >Covers not yet mentioned: Another of my parents' albums when I was >growing up was Any Day Now, Joan Baez's recordings of a bunch of Bob >Dylan songs. Those, plus one or two by Chris Smither, remain my >favorite Dylan covers. > >My father also loved several Judy Collins albums on which she sang >Leonard Cohen songs (and others). Joan Baez's cover of "Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Hearts" remains my all-time favorite Dylan cover. Except that I swear I once heard an album with Nina Simone doing "Lay Lady Lay," though I've never been able to find it again. Another singer who has done Cohen really well is Jennifer Warnes. She has a lovely Cohen cover album ("Famous Blue Raincoat"), I've enjoyed a number of the tribute albums that have come out in recent years to various artists. A Nod to Bob (on Dylan's 60th birthday), a Nod to Bob 2 (on his 70th) are favorites, but there are many, certainly some better done than others. Shelda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:50:26 -0500 From: Jean Rossner Subject: Re: [RS] Covers and Carpenters At 2:27 PM -0500 2/23/13, Norman Johnson wrote: > >I'd put Linda as a contender for best female pop voice of her >generation, with Karen Carpenter and Aretha Franklin as her >competition. > >On YouTube, there is a clip of a very young Linda singing Long Long >Time backed by Bobby Darin (!!). When I was a teen, I found my parents' copy of the Stone Poneys album: a young Linda Ronstadt with two guys. Very short, even for an LP--I think the whole album ran to maybe 29 minutes, and my favorite songs were well under 3 minutes apiece. But lovely stuff. (It did eventually come out on CD; I have no idea how available that is. There was a second LP but I've never heard that one.) Covers not yet mentioned: Another of my parents' albums when I was growing up was Any Day Now, Joan Baez's recordings of a bunch of Bob Dylan songs. Those, plus one or two by Chris Smither, remain my favorite Dylan covers. My father also loved several Judy Collins albums on which she sang Leonard Cohen songs (and others). Jean Rossner - -- "There are but two refuges from the miseries of life: music and cats." - Albert Schweitzer >^.,.^< FolkCrossing.net: a blog about folk, filk, singer/songwriters, and world music ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:39:42 -0000 From: "Claire Latham" Subject: RE: [RS] Much Madness: Sweet Sixteen. 1. May - I've chosen this because it makes me feel uncomfortable with the overtones of things oft in the news as I grew up... and I've avoided it in previous rounds. So the fact it makes me feel, makes it win. 2. Reunion Hill - 'Dousing for my husband's face' - I always read this as 'dowsing for' - aka divining, seeking, hoping to find her husband's face. 3. Mary Magdalene- my first RS song 4. State of the Union - I like the quirky, abandon all hope ones 5. Fishing - has to be... 6. Transit - I still hear 'Sister Maria tightened the bolts of despair' and that's RS's fault from an intro to the song that he did... 7. Courier - magical, evocative... 8. You Stay Here - again, stark and very pointed. Claire UK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:15:01 -0500 (EST) From: Buckypuck Subject: [RS] please remove please remove buckypuck@aol.com from the shindell email list. thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:46:18 -0500 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] Covers and Carpenters Norman wrote: > On YouTube, there is a clip of a very young Linda singing Long Long Time > backed by Bobby Darin (!!). > .......THAT is a crying in your beer song if ever there was one. > > Speaking of Karen Carpenter...I would start with two of Leon Russell's - > Superstar (Groupie) and A Song for You. Richard was inspired to have Karen > cover Superstar after hearing Bette Midler sing it on the Tonight Show. > .......Don't forget "Ticket to Ride". > As for Aretha, Respect is technically a cover as Otis had originally > covered it. Aretha's Bridge Over Troubled Water is amazing!! .......I did NOT know that about "Respect". Although it doesn't sound like a woman to ask for her "propers" when she gets home. That and "Chain of Fools" are two of my favorite Motown songs. Funny story ~ the husband came home one day and said, "I just heard Neil Diamond on the radio doing the WORST cover of "Red, Red Wine". I then informed him it was Neil's song. THAT is one of the best examples of a cover beating the original. And speaking of Neil and covers, I have managed to really enjoy both The Monkees and Smashmouth's covering "I'm a Believer". I'm not sure there's another song I like multiple takes on like that. ....CL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:38:30 -0500 (EST) From: Phueber@aol.com Subject: [RS] Sweet 16 picks and musings On A Sea of Fleur-de-Lis would have been a Final 4 pick for me but most of my other favorites are still here. Interesting to note that the vast majority of remaining songs are from his earlier recordings. I definitely don't connect with most of his newer material the way I did with his first four CDs. But I could say the same thing for many other artists. John Gorka, Antje Duvekot and Steve Earle come immediately to mind. To me, those three artists in particular have lost the edge that I seem to have liked so much when I first heard them. Maybe the same is true for Richard as well but the answer is less clear to me when it comes to his music. No real difficult choices for me in this round. I like some of the songs I didn't pick but the winners were relatively easy selections. The next rounds will be much more difficult. 1. Nora 2. Reunion Hill 3. Mary Magdalene 4. Wisteria 5. Fishing 6. Transit 7. The Courier 8. You Stay Here Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:45:42 -0500 From: Bart Gallagher Subject: [RS] Round 3 Bart's Round 3 picks: 1. May over Nora 2. Reunion Hill over Next Best Western 3. Last Fare of the Day over Mary Magdalene 4. Wisteria over State of the Union 5. Fishing over I Saw My Youth Today 6. Transit over Waiting for the Storm 7. Courier over Che Guevara T-Shirt 8. You Stay Here over Sparrows Point Easy for me except #7, love them both. If anyone cares...my least fav of the 16 is State of he Union. Then Nora and May. I'm saving my favorites for later... OK, I think Transit may be Best. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 01:26:26 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: Re: [RS] What's "Early RS?" Ron wrote: "Is the dividing line after "Somewhere Near Paterson," meaning the first four releases are the "early" ones and "Vuelta" (now almost nine years old), "South of Delia" and "Not Far Now" are considered the "late" ones?" To me, the three Shanachie albums are early RS. Cry3, SNP, and Courier are transitional RS. Everything after that is late RS. Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V12 #394 ************************************