From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V12 #390 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, February 21 2013 Volume 12 : Number 390 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] First concerts, Canadian artists and Vin Scelsa [Jean Rossner ] [RS] or not [Pete Jameson ] Re: [RS] Your first Richard Shindell concert [CLAIRE LATHAM ] [RS] Irvington, NY Fall 1992 [Pete Jameson ] [RS] transit & covers [Bernadette Marian ] [RS] Knocking on Heaven's Dud. [] [RS] Half way to Patterson [Isabel Frey ] Re: [RS] Canadian artists [=?utf-8?q?john_cl=C3=A9irigh?= ] [RS] Round Two [Jim Thomann ] Re: [RS] A thought about covers. [RFC ] [RS] SchlitzFaced in Shippensburg [Bart Gallagher ] Re: [RS] Dead Skunks [Howie ] Re: [RS] Covering Tom Waits ["Michael & Linda Marmer" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:35:21 -0500 From: Jean Rossner Subject: Re: [RS] First concerts, Canadian artists and Vin Scelsa I'm not sure about my first concert. The first individual show I remember going to see was Don McLean at Avery Fisher Hall, when I was fourteen. But there was at least one concert movie before then (the Concert for Bangladesh) and another the same year as McLean ("Ladies and Gentlemen, the Rolling Stones!"--not my taste, nor my choice; my mother insisted that I accompany her). At least one festival (Clearwater, in 1970--the second, I think?), long before any of the above. No, I wasn't at Woodstock, nor were my parents or (so far as I know) any of my friends. Canadians--James Keelaghan is probably my very favorite, but early Spirit of the West is close, and Eileen McGann, and definitely Tanglefoot. To the other person who mentioned Tanglefoot--If you don't know the English band Jez Lowe & the Bad Pennies, please check them out. I'm particularly fond of what I think of as their middle period CDs: Tenterhooks, Bede Weeps, and The Parish Notices--but everything is good. And to anyone who shares my taste, or would like to find out more: I've just started a music blog at folkcrossing.net . Haven't written about RS yet, but he's certainly on the agenda. If you like it, please comment and/or "like". (Very unlikely, but if anyone out there remembers: "Folk Crossing" was a radio show I hosted on college station WWUH in 2000-2001. I didn't know what I was doing, but the music was pretty good. :) ) Jean Rossner - -- "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." - James Nicoll, in rec.arts.sf-lovers, 1990. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:29:31 -0500 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] Pancho & Leonard. Ron wrote: > Similar to why almost every folksinger chooses "Hallelujah" as their > Leonard Cohen cover. > > Again, I could die happy without ever hearing a cover of either song again. ..........I'll watch Rufus Wainwright sing the phonebook. He could do "Hallelujah" about five times in a row and I'd be OK with it. Although in the possibly overdone covers department...I was listening to Dylan sing "Knocking on Heaven's Door" last night. I know it's BEEN covered, probably best by Eric Clapton, but I found myself wondering what RS could do with it. Seems like a companion piece for "Sonora's" *Ciao!* ....Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:19:48 -0500 From: Pete Jameson Subject: [RS] or not ...try again for "Because the Night" w/Bruce, Joe, Willie, Garland, et al http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgtzGnUQLtg pete in pa On Feb 21, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Pete Jameson wrote: > Howie, > > Cool story...as Johnny Carson used to say, "I did not know that." > > An aside to Toby's Vin Scelsa comment: I had friends in the NY area who both loved and loathed Vin. His 8 to 12 Sunday nite slot would sometimes go on to after 2 a.m. -- often because he would wax romantic about all things song, book, film, and stage. It is great to catch him on Sirius, it's like reconnecting with a friend after many years. > > He is also famous for playing a new song twice in a row -- something I had never heard anyone do before. Then, one night in 1997 he played Joe Grushecky's new record, which, appropriately, had a song called Idiots' Delight. For a time, Vin used it to open his show, too. But on that night that he premiered Joe's record "Coming Home", he played "Soul Survivor" not twice, not thrice, but four freaking times in a row...very cool to hear that on the NY airwaves after having grown up on The Iron City Houserockers, Grushecky's original band. Here's his ode to the South Side of Pittsburgh. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcGxVsJWp80 > > Springsteen fans will know that he produced some of Grushecky's records. For a few years, they played benefits at Soldiers & Sailors Hall on the Pitt campus -- where Bruce ends up leading Joe's band in a room that holds maybe 2,500...quite cool to see the Boss in such an intimate setting these days...Joe is what my old boss would call "good people". > > Blessings, > > Pedro > > N.B. Toby mentioned Patti -- here's "Because the Night" at the Light of Day concert -- check out how amped Willie Nile is...he's a trip... > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Howie wrote: > >> Pete Seeger's story behind "Waist Deep In The Big Muddy": >> http://www.peteseeger.net/givepeacechance.htm >> >> -Howie >> >> At 07:04 PM 2/20/2013, JC wrote: >>> I love Pete but I was always a little annoyed by his phrasing in Big >>> Muddy, feeling he was being lazy with it. When I first heard Richard's >>> take on it, it felt like he made it his own with the definitive version. >>> >>> -- >>> JC >>> Sent from my BlackBerryB. PlayBookb" >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> From: "ronsfolkchords@cox.net" >>> To: "shindell-list@smoe.org" >>> Sent: February 19, 2013 5:16 PM >>> Subject: [RS] A thought about covers. >>> >>> Was thinking . . . imagine I had included RS covers >>> in Much Madness. I'll bet there are a bunch of RS originals that would have >>> lost to recorded covers such as "Cold Missouri Waters," "Shades of Black, >>> Shades of Blue," "Darkness, Darkness" "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and some >>> of the songs on "South of Delia," you agree? >>> >>> RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:18:46 +0000 (GMT) From: CLAIRE LATHAM Subject: Re: [RS] Your first Richard Shindell concert Mine was at Shrewsbury Folk Festival in 2010. I saw him and Lucy. Enjoyed the fun they had on stage together but his solo sets with Marc blew me away. I couldn't stop talking about him and I immediately bought every CD I could. He'd been to the festival in 2007... God knows how I missed him then, since singer/songwriters tend to be who I look out for on a festival bill and I've been to Shrewsbury every year. Set list was full of all his favourites. RS is definitely someone you have to experience live. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:50:00 -0800 From: RFC Subject: Re: [RS] transit & covers No, it wasn't me. I actually think that someone on the list (Johannes, maybe?) went through the set lists that have been posted on the Shindell-list and did the compiling. It would also explain why there are so few lists posted from the early years, before the Shindell-list kicked into high gear. On Feb 21, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Janet Cinelli wrote: > Thanks for the link Ron, this is so cool! Did you compile it? It must have > been some undertaking! And it proves that I didn't hear 'TV Light' the first > time I saw Richard. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:57:07 -0500 From: Pete Jameson Subject: [RS] Irvington, NY Fall 1992 Listers, My first RS show was at the Irvington Town Hall, with Lucy. At that point, his only release was Sparrows Point, and I don't remember any covers. I do remember him being rather awkward on stage, though the songs were rapturous. I don't think there were more than 40 people or so. Wish I could recall more. I think the ticket was maybe $7.00. I saw and heard enough that I wanted to have that storytelling/sonic experience again...and again... Jealous of you Northeasterners right now. Living in SW PA, we'll have to travel about 5 hours to catch a show...trying to make that happen before he goes south... Enjoying the list like never before, Pietro in PA P.S. I love "Abby's Gone to the Country" but fear that it will be excluded from the new record. When we lived in Ellicott City, MD in 1973 we had to take our willful Schnauzer to a "home for dogs" in the country...His name was Spencer (after the NBA player Spencer Haywood) and he bit thru my brother's thumbnail one time -- and that was it for ol' Spence...i imagine he had plenty of space to run off his aggression and grew to be a lovable pooch... Perhaps Abby will be included on an EP... On Feb 21, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Johannes Schult wrote: > Yes, it was me who went through the archive and added all the songs to > setlist.fm - I just like statistics! > > Anyway, in order to get maybe some more show details, why not tell us about your > first Richard Shindell concert!? Especially if it happened back in the 90s! > Remember any of the songs that were played? > > My first Shindell concert took place in Colchester, England on June 13th, 2009. > Incidently, this was the first show where he played "Abby's Gone to the Country" > along with some other "rare" live songs like "Ascent" and "Blue Divide". > Needless to say I enjoyed the show a lot! > > Johannes from Germany > > PS: The Colchester setlist looked like this: > http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/richard-shindell/2009/headgate-theatre-colchester-england-5bd5b368.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:16:34 -0500 From: Bernadette Marian Subject: [RS] transit & covers It was at the Iron Horse that he said he began writing transit a day or two before. As for covers, there are100 more I would love to hear him sing. His writing is incredible but I like his interpretations equally as much. After several years of asking him, he agreed to play long black veil at the Iron Horse a few years back. It is one of my favorite songs and he did a great cover that night. He also did Texas Rangers a cappella after several years of me cajoling. there are several other songs I would be Interested to hear a capella. RG, just compiling a list of live covers we have heard him play would be fun. If you included his recorded covers & tried to narrow the field down to his "best" I think there are many of his own songs that would be edged out. And I think it would be too hard of a task to choose when it got down to the sweet 16, never mind the final 4. Bernadette, waiting on another storm in Western MA and glad the it doesn't coincide with tonight's show @ the IH. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:03:08 -0800 From: Subject: [RS] Knocking on Heaven's Dud. >> I know it's BEEN covered, probably best by Eric Clapton, but I found myself wondering what RS could do with it. << Nobody, not even Richard, could do a thing with that boring, over-rated song . . . one that's still in search of a melody. Same as "Pancho & Lefty" . . . if you're going to do a cover, don't do a cover that everyone from Guns N' Roses to Avril Lavigne to Wyclef Jean has already done. Dylan's got way more interesting and unique songs to cover. >> Seems like a companion piece for "Sonora's" << Richard's already done companion pieces to "Sonora" . . . "Sing Me Back Home" and "Ascent." RG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:18:00 -0500 From: Isabel Frey Subject: [RS] Half way to Patterson Bernadette (re Transit: "I saw RS play Transit the day after he said he began writing it. It was similar but certainly did not progress past about the halfway mark.") Did you see this at The Brokerage in Bellmore? We were at one of his shows there and he stopped at the same place, still deciding Sr. Maria's fate. Isabel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:44:02 -0000 From: =?utf-8?q?john_cl=C3=A9irigh?= Subject: Re: [RS] Canadian artists I'm a long time fan of Gordon, James and Bruce. A couple years ago Bruce brought Sarah Harmer on tour and she was really great. - -- JC Sent from my BlackBerryB. PlayBookb" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:28:58 -0800 From: Susan Krauss Subject: Re: [RS] First Concert My first concert was the War is Over Rally on May 11, 1975 in Central Park - - a free concert organized by Phil Ochs to celebrate the end of the Viet Nam War. I was 14. Performers included: Phil Ochs, Pete Seeger, Joan Baez, Patti Smith, Harry Belafonte, Barbara Dane, Paul Simon, Deadly Nightshade, Tom Paxton, Danny O'Keefe, The Human Condition, Richie Havens, The Joe Lucas Band and Peter Yarrow. It's probably why I never understood people who got upset when musicians talk about politics from the stage :) Set list at this link: http://youngmanhattanite.tumblr.com/post/2380340916/peterfeld-phil-ochs-and-joan-baez-after susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:01:56 -0500 From: Jim Thomann Subject: [RS] Round Two 1. Wisteria (vs. Ascent)  Cant think of any song that invokes greater nostalgia. 2. I Saw My Youth Today (vs. Balloon Man)  Having no Dad when growing up makes this song a dagger. 3. Reunion Hill (vs. Fenario)  Plan on visiting a Civil War re-enactment. I bet the presenters would love this as well. 4. By Now (vs. Mary Magdalene)  The Man can tell a story. 5. There Goes Mavis (vs. State of the Union)  Hypnotic and could play this for an hour. 6. Cancion Sencilla (vs. Sparrows Point)  Takes guts to sing in a second language and make fun of it at the same time. 7. Transit (vs. Summer Wind, Cotton Dress)  First RS song I played on guitar (Thanks Ron!) 8. Fishing (vs. Abuelita)  The visions, the thoughts, and the danger. Its all there. 9. The Next Best Western (vs. On A Sea Of Fleur-de-Lis).  Still cracks me up when RS said he never even rode in a rig. 10. Che Guevara T-Shirt (vs. Money for Floods)  Tough call as theyre pretty even. 11. Nora (vs. The Weather)  Like a passage from a great novel. 12. May (vs. Kenworth of my Dreams)  Im calling from some booth. Simple words with such an intense meaning. 13. The Things That I Have Seen (vs. The Courier)  Tough choice and both war themed. 14. You Stay Here (vs. Are You Happy Now)  AYHN was my first dip in the RS pool. But, You Stay Here hits me harder than any of his other songs. 15. Waiting for the Storm (vs. Juggler Out in Traffic). Another tough choice as they both tell a great story. 16. Last Fare Of The Day (vs. Arrowhead)  Great tune that I can never get enough of. Regards, Jim T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:36:45 -0800 From: RFC Subject: Re: [RS] A thought about covers. And actually, I'm not sure why I didn't mention what I believe is his BEST cover, one that I believe surpasses the original, and which is my favorite song on the album on which it appears: "Calling the Moon." On Feb 19, 2013, at 6:09 PM, Howie wrote: > And, of course, "Sonora's Death Row" and "Famous Blue Raincoat"! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:58:11 -0500 From: Bart Gallagher Subject: [RS] SchlitzFaced in Shippensburg Pete, SchlitzFaced in Shippensburg! No Sheeet, I got gas at the Shippensburg Sheetz on way to daughters college in Virginia. (Long Island to Harrisonburg) Green Grass and High Times 4 Evvveerrr... Or, at least a half lifetime ago : ) BG On Feb 19, 2013, at 4:55 AM, Pete wrote: > So, in my freshman year ('76-77) the Outlaws played the field house of what was then known as Shippensburg State College. A few friends from home came in for the show and we got a 1/2 barrel of The Bull -- Schlitz Malt Liquor for the occasion. Throw in an unhealthy quantity of low grade ganja and it was a recipe for incoherence... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:04:43 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [RS] Under the covers >> I know Richard didn't write it, but I think of Cold Missouri Waters as his song. << When I first heard "Shades of Black, Shades of Blue," I was shocked to learn that it was NOT his song. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:32:06 -0500 From: Howie Subject: Re: [RS] Dead Skunks At 12:06 PM 2/18/2013, Ron wrote: > >> I told him about the March Madness and he was surprised. << > >Probably just mostly surprised that there's still an active list. Soon after the list was formed, I told him about the list after a show. He thought for a second and asked me, with that straight-faced yet quizzical expression he has, "Do you call yourselves Dick Heads?" - -Howie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:14:47 -0500 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: Re: [RS] Covering Tom Waits I have read that Tom Waits does not like the Eagles cover of Ol' 55. I do not have a website to back that up, but I am sure I read it somewhere. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:56:24 -0000 From: =?utf-8?q?john_cl=C3=A9irigh?= Subject: Re: [RS] First Concert Oh man, I haven't thought about Good Time Charlie's Got the Blues in decades. Thanks for the ear worm Susan. This is one I wont hate. - -- JC Sent from my BlackBerryB. PlayBookb" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Susan Krauss" To: "shindell-list@smoe.org" Sent: February 19, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [RS] First Concert My first concert was the War is Over Rally on May 11, 1975 in Central Park - - a free concert organized by Phil Ochs to celebrate the end of the Viet Nam War. I was 14. Performers included: Phil Ochs, Pete Seeger, Joan Baez, Patti Smith, Harry Belafonte, Barbara Dane, Paul Simon, Deadly Nightshade, Tom Paxton,Danny O'Keefe, The Human Condition, Richie Havens, The Joe Lucas Band and Peter Yarrow. It's probably why I never understood people who got upset when musicians talk about politics from the stage :) Set list at this link: http://youngmanhattanite.tumblr.com/post/2380340916/peterfeld-phil-ochs-and-j oan-baez-after susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:23:34 -0500 From: Howie Subject: Re: [RS] A thought about covers. Pete Seeger's story behind "Waist Deep In The Big Muddy": http://www.peteseeger.net/givepeacechance.htm - -Howie At 07:04 PM 2/20/2013, JC wrote: >I love Pete but I was always a little annoyed by his phrasing in Big >Muddy, feeling he was being lazy with it. When I first heard Richard's >take on it, it felt like he made it his own with the definitive version. > >-- >JC >Sent from my BlackBerryB. PlayBookb" > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >From: "ronsfolkchords@cox.net" >To: "shindell-list@smoe.org" >Sent: February 19, 2013 5:16 PM >Subject: [RS] A thought about covers. > >Was thinking . . . imagine I had included RS covers >in Much Madness. I'll bet there are a bunch of RS originals that would have >lost to recorded covers such as "Cold Missouri Waters," "Shades of Black, >Shades of Blue," "Darkness, Darkness" "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and some >of the songs on "South of Delia," you agree? > >RG ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V12 #390 ************************************