From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V12 #389 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, February 21 2013 Volume 12 : Number 389 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] SOB, SOB [] Re: [RS] Your first Richard Shindell concert [Susan Krauss ] Re: [RS] transit & covers [] [RS] First concerts, Canadian artists and Vin Scelsa [Toby ] [RS] Your first Richard Shindell concert [Johannes Schult ] [RS] First RS concert. [] RE: [RS] Digest update. ["Tina Wheeler" ] Re: [RS] transit & covers [Janet Cinelli ] [RS] Pancho & Leonard. [] [RS] Zevon's reading of "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" [Pete Jameson Subject: Re: [RS] SOB, SOB >> My personal favorite probably remains "Sonora's Death Row," though. << I love it, too, but he doesn't bring much to the song that isn't identical to almost every other cover of the song. I feel the same about the ubiquitously-covered "Pancho & Lefty," which, if I never hear it covered again, will be too soon. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:37:52 -0800 From: Susan Krauss Subject: Re: [RS] Your first Richard Shindell concert My first Richard sighting was a Fast Folk show at the Bottom Line on Feb. 27, 1993. First full show of just Richard was May 10, 2001 at the Freight & Salvage in Berkeley. susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:00:56 -0500 (EST) From: jimcolbert@aol.com Subject: [RS] SOB, SOB Was thinking . . . imagine I had included RS covers in Much Madness. I'll bet there are a bunch of RS originals that would have lost to recorded covers such as "Cold Missouri Waters," "Shades of Black, Shades of Blue," "Darkness, Darkness" "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and some of the songs on "South of Delia," you agree? I was going to comment on this and how I am overdue to listen to "Shades of Black, Shades of Blue," had typed it in as SOB,SOB and that just made me laugh and derailed my train of thought. I like Josh Ritter well enough, but I think Richard owns "Lawrence Kansas." My personal favorite probably remains "Sonora's Death Row," though. At least, when he remembers how it starts. Never gotten that enthusiastic about "Sitting on Top of the World," for some reason; I know some folks really love his take on that. It might just be I'm neutral on the song in general. I wish I still had the e-mail from Charlie Hunter years ago that mentioned what a few of the other songs they were considering from clear back in the C3 days. One of them was a Crack the Sky song, which was actually how the e-conversation began. There were some...unusual choices, from what I recall. - -the jc from pa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:34:52 -0800 From: Christine Thomas Subject: Re: [RS] SOB, SOB Deportees is one of my favourite RS songs! On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > Was thinking . . . imagine I had included RS covers > in Much Madness. I'll bet there are a bunch of RS originals that would > have > lost to recorded covers such as "Cold Missouri Waters," "Shades of Black, > Shades of Blue," "Darkness, Darkness" "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and > some > of the songs on "South of Delia," you agree? > > > > > I was going to comment on this and how I am overdue to listen to "Shades of > Black, Shades of Blue," had typed it in as SOB,SOB and that just made me > laugh > and derailed my train of thought. > > I like Josh Ritter well enough, but I think Richard owns "Lawrence > Kansas." My > personal favorite probably remains "Sonora's Death Row," though. At least, > when he remembers how it starts. > > Never gotten that enthusiastic about "Sitting on Top of the World," for > some > reason; I know some folks really love his take on that. It might just be > I'm > neutral on the song in general. > > I wish I still had the e-mail from Charlie Hunter years ago that mentioned > what a few of the other songs they were considering from clear back in the > C3 > days. One of them was a Crack the Sky song, which was actually how the > e-conversation began. There were some...unusual choices, from what I > recall. > > -the jc from pa > - -- "Piglet sidled up to Pooh from behind. "Pooh?" he whispered. "Yes, Piglet?" "Nothing," said Piglet, taking Pooh's hand. "I just wanted to be sure of you." Adopt a dog it will change your life. www.turtlegardens.org www.saintsrescue.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 6:42:41 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [RS] transit & covers >> RG, just compiling a list of live covers we have heard him play would be fun. << Below is just of non-released songs I've heard him play. But even better, follow this link to a list of pretty much everything hebs ever played, and how often. http://www.setlist.fm/stats/richard-shindell-73d62639.html America Banks of the Pontchartrain Bleecker Street Farewell to Saint Dolores Four Green Fields Friend of the Devil I Got Mine Louisiana 1927 Love Hurts Making Plans Satan's Jewel Crown Sin City The Hobo Song Once in a Very Blue Moon Blue Northern Lights A Change is Gonna Come Famous Blue Raincoat She Belongs to Me Paddybs Green Shamrock Shore Pancho and Lefty Who Knows Where the Time Goes Wings of a Dove Hard Times Come Again No More If I Had a Hammer The Streets of London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 06:39:25 -0500 From: Toby Subject: [RS] First concerts, Canadian artists and Vin Scelsa My very first concert was 1976...Steve Miller Band, Gary Wright and Ozark Mountain Daredevils....I remember clearly the promises that were made to my parents, and the threat of the consequences if I screwed up. I was 15.....and I think tickets were $5 :) Favorite Canadian artist, for me, hands down is Neil Young. I saw him with Crazy Horse in November ( with Patti Smith opening!) and he's still phenomenal. His autobiography, Waging Heavy Peace is a must read for Neil fans, or if you like random, stream of consciousness stuff. It actually was a great read. I catch Vin Scelsa and Idiot's Delight on Thursdays, my day off, while I'm out and about-I really enjoy listening to him. I had never heard of him until Sirius. Toby in PA Sent from my iPad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:40:18 -0500 From: Pete Jameson Subject: [RS] Ah, back when corporations could crumble Howie, Cool story...as Johnny Carson used to say, "I did not know that." An aside to Toby's Vin Scelsa comment: I had friends in the NY area who both loved and loathed Vin. His 8 to 12 Sunday nite slot would sometimes go on to after 2 a.m. -- often because he would wax romantic about all things song, book, film, and stage. It is great to catch him on Sirius, it's like reconnecting with a friend after many years. He is also famous for playing a new song twice in a row -- something I had never heard anyone do before. Then, one night in 1997 he played Joe Grushecky's new record, which, appropriately, had a song called Idiots' Delight. For a time, Vin used it to open his show, too. But on that night that he premiered Joe's record "Coming Home", he played "Soul Survivor" not twice, not thrice, but four freaking times in a row...very cool to hear that on the NY airwaves after having grown up on The Iron City Houserockers, Grushecky's original band. Here's his ode to the South Side of Pittsburgh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcGxVsJWp80 Springsteen fans will know that he produced some of Grushecky's records. For a few years, they played benefits at Soldiers & Sailors Hall on the Pitt campus -- where Bruce ends up leading Joe's band in a room that holds maybe 2,500...quite cool to see the Boss in such an intimate setting these days...Joe is what my old boss would call "good people". Blessings, Pedro N.B. Toby mentioned Patti -- here's "Because the Night" at the Light of Day concert -- check out how amped Willie Nile is...he's a trip... On Feb 20, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Howie wrote: > Pete Seeger's story behind "Waist Deep In The Big Muddy": > http://www.peteseeger.net/givepeacechance.htm > > -Howie > > At 07:04 PM 2/20/2013, JC wrote: >> I love Pete but I was always a little annoyed by his phrasing in Big >> Muddy, feeling he was being lazy with it. When I first heard Richard's >> take on it, it felt like he made it his own with the definitive version. >> >> -- >> JC >> Sent from my BlackBerryB. PlayBookb" >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> From: "ronsfolkchords@cox.net" >> To: "shindell-list@smoe.org" >> Sent: February 19, 2013 5:16 PM >> Subject: [RS] A thought about covers. >> >> Was thinking . . . imagine I had included RS covers >> in Much Madness. I'll bet there are a bunch of RS originals that would have >> lost to recorded covers such as "Cold Missouri Waters," "Shades of Black, >> Shades of Blue," "Darkness, Darkness" "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and some >> of the songs on "South of Delia," you agree? >> >> RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:53:09 -0500 From: Laurence Krulik Subject: Re: [RS] Pancho & Leonard. >> Although in the possibly overdone covers department...I was listening to >> Dylan sing "Knocking on Heaven's Door" last night. I know it's BEEN >> covered, probably best by Eric Clapton, Clearly, the best "Knocking on Heaven's Door" cover is by Guns and Roses. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:23:41 +0100 (CET) From: Johannes Schult Subject: [RS] Your first Richard Shindell concert Yes, it was me who went through the archive and added all the songs to setlist.fm - I just like statistics! Anyway, in order to get maybe some more show details, why not tell us about your first Richard Shindell concert!? Especially if it happened back in the 90s! Remember any of the songs that were played? My first Shindell concert took place in Colchester, England on June 13th, 2009. Incidently, this was the first show where he played "Abby's Gone to the Country" along with some other "rare" live songs like "Ascent" and "Blue Divide". Needless to say I enjoyed the show a lot! Johannes from Germany PS: The Colchester setlist looked like this: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/richard-shindell/2009/headgate-theatre-colchester-england-5bd5b368.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:02:15 -0500 From: Peter Booth Subject: Re: [RS] SOB, SOB +1 on Pancho and Lefty. Great song? Ok, maybe. But for the love of God, stop playing it everyone. It's the one song on Steve Earle's album "Townes" that I skip. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 8:52:12 -0800 From: Subject: [RS] First RS concert. Not sure of the exact date, but it was a Richard/Lucy co-bill at Outpost in the Burbs in Montclair, NJ, probably in '94 or '95. I'd heard some songs from "Sparrows Point" and hadn't been wildly impressed . . . I was mostly there to hear Lucy. Then I saw the show, and I became, shall we say, wildly impressed. The rest is history. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:24:33 -0500 From: "Tina Wheeler" Subject: RE: [RS] Digest update. Hi Ron, Is the digest problem fixed yet, do you know? If so, could you switch me from individual email to digest version? Or is that something I can initiate on my own? Thanks, Tina - -----Original Message----- From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tina Wheeler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:57 AM To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: RE: [RS] Digest update. Good point - I just caught onto that now. I'll wait. Thanks. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rongrittz Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:27 PM To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: Re: [RS] Digest update. Wouldn't recommend doing that right now while the Digest is all messed up. On Feb 5, 2013, at 5:46 PM, "Tina Wheeler" wrote: > Hey Ron, > I lost the original email to the list which has instructions on how to > change my subscription from individual to the digest. Could you do > that or let me know how? > Thanks, Tina > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > rongrittz@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 8:29 PM > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Subject: [RS] Digest update. > > Hi allb&.I'm gonna keep the first round goingthrough Thursday; there > are still two pairings that are VERY close:Wisteria/Abuelita and > Confession/Fenario. > > But in light of the issue that's happening withthe Digest b and the > fact that 80% of our members get the list via Digest b I'mgoing to > hold off on launching the second half of the first round until > theissue is fixed. > > Hope it doesn't take long, because I hate havingto stall the momentum > that the list has achieved. > > Stay tuned, and I apologize for the inconvience. > > RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:12:44 -0800 (PST) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: Re: [RS] transit & covers Thanks for the link Ron, this is so cool! Did you compile it? It must have been some undertaking! And it proves that I didn't hear 'TV Light' the first time I saw Richard. Janet P.S. anyone going to the Boulton show tomorrow? - --- On Thu, 2/21/13, ronsfolkchords@cox.net wrote: Below is just of non-released songs I've heard him play. But even better, follow this link to a list of pretty much everything hebs ever played, and how often. http://www.setlist.fm/stats/richard-shindell-73d62639.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:01:43 -0800 From: Subject: [RS] Pancho & Leonard. >> +1 on Pancho and Lefty. Great song? Ok, maybe. But for the love of God, stop playing it everyone. << Yeah, it's sort of every folksinger's "I want to show you that I was influenced by Townes Van Zandt, but I really only ever learned that one song" go-to cover. Similar to why almost every folksinger chooses "Hallelujah" as their Leonard Cohen cover. Which is why I love that Nanci Griffith chose "Tecumseh Valley" as the Townes song for her "Other Voices, Other Rooms" covers album. Again, I could die happy without ever hearing a cover of either song again. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:34:52 -0500 From: Pete Jameson Subject: [RS] Zevon's reading of "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" I'm glad you qualified your estimation of the best cover of "Knockin' on Heaven's Door"...my serious fave is Zevon's...the story goes that Billy Bob Thornton's band was in the studio with Warren for his last record -- he had been diagnosed with terminal cancer and was intent on finishing "The Wind"...he suggested "Knockin'" and, given his dark humour, they thought he was joking...turns out he wasn't... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKHFWpaTUmY Zedro en Norte Americo On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Carol Love wrote: > Ron wrote: > >> Similar to why almost every folksinger chooses "Hallelujah" as their >> Leonard Cohen cover. >> >> Again, I could die happy without ever hearing a cover of either song again. > > > > > ..........I'll watch Rufus Wainwright sing the phonebook. He could do > "Hallelujah" about five times in a row and I'd be OK with it. > > Although in the possibly overdone covers department...I was listening to > Dylan sing "Knocking on Heaven's Door" last night. I know it's BEEN > covered, probably best by Eric Clapton, but I found myself wondering what > RS could do with it. > > Seems like a companion piece for "Sonora's" > > *Ciao!* > > ....Carol ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V12 #389 ************************************