From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V12 #388 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, February 21 2013 Volume 12 : Number 388 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Calling all idiots [Pete Jameson ] Re: [RS] Calling all idiots [Jeff Bernstein ] Re: [RS] First Concert [gina ] Re: [RS] Half way to Patterson [] Re: [RS] City Winery? [Janet Cinelli ] Re: [RS] Round 2 reminder. [Peter Booth ] [RS] Covering Tom Waits [John McDonnell ] Re: [RS] A thought about covers. [=?utf-8?q?john_cl=C3=A9irigh?= ] [RS] round 2 [Bernadette Marian ] Re: [RS] A thought about covers. [Howie ] [RS] A thought about covers. [] [RS] Unfinished transit [Norman Johnson ] Re: [RS] Calling all idiots [Jeff Bernstein ] Re: [RS] Covering Tom Waits ["Michael & Linda Marmer" ] [RS] Re: Much Madness Round 2 [] Re: [RS] A thought about covers. [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] A thought about covers. [Janet Cinelli ] [RS] City Winery? [Janet Cinelli ] Re: [RS] Calling all idiots [=?utf-8?q?john_cl=C3=A9irigh?= Subject: [RS] Calling all idiots Howie, I've listened to Vin Scelsa, a NY area dj since 1979 when I arrived for (my 2nd try) college. His show is known as "Idiots' Delight" and his listeners are affectionately referred to as "idiots". So, I guess I can be a Dick Head... PedroHead in PA On Feb 19, 2013, at 10:32 PM, Howie wrote: > At 12:06 PM 2/18/2013, Ron wrote: >> >> I told him about the March Madness and he was surprised. << >> >> Probably just mostly surprised that there's still an active list. > > > Soon after the list was formed, I told him about the list after a show. He thought for a second and asked me, with that straight-faced yet quizzical expression he has, "Do you call yourselves Dick Heads?" > > -Howie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:57:04 -0500 From: Jeff Bernstein Subject: Re: [RS] Calling all idiots Pete - We call ourselves iddiots, with a double d. This week is the 18th anniversary of the Idiot's Delight Digest, the email list, similar to this, of Vin listeners. It's not what it used to be since a lot of the action moved to Facebook groups, but there is a core group of members who have become great friends over the years, and still get together and socialize a few times a year. Some of my best friends. Jeff On Feb 20, 2013, at 6:47 AM, Pete Jameson wrote: > Howie, > > I've listened to Vin Scelsa, a NY area dj since 1979 when I arrived for (my 2nd try) college. His show is known as "Idiots' Delight" and his listeners are affectionately referred to as "idiots". > > So, I guess I can be a Dick Head... > > PedroHead in PA > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 10:32 PM, Howie wrote: > >> At 12:06 PM 2/18/2013, Ron wrote: >>>>> I told him about the March Madness and he was surprised. << >>> >>> Probably just mostly surprised that there's still an active list. >> >> >> Soon after the list was formed, I told him about the list after a show. He thought for a second and asked me, with that straight-faced yet quizzical expression he has, "Do you call yourselves Dick Heads?" >> >> -Howie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:56:35 -0800 From: gina Subject: Re: [RS] First Concert I think my very first concert (that I remember) was technically a celebration of some kind at Stanford University that included a performance by the Doobie Brothers. My friend's mom took the both of us. But I don't count that. The first concerts that I *chose* to go to were when I was around 14: the Grateful Dead and Crowded House, both with my dad. The Dead was at Shoreline Amphitheater (August 25 1993?); Crowded House was at the Warfield in SF (March 22 or 23 1994). Gina - -- ******************************* "and all i want is something i can write about, all i want is something i can cry about..." - -n.f. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:09:58 -0800 From: Subject: Re: [RS] Half way to Patterson >> We were at oneof his shows there and he stopped at the same place << You know, I was thinking that he'd played that first half-finished version of "Transit" at the infamous Fez "Soy Bomb" show on 9/22/99. But then realized that with the "Somewhere Near Paterson" album having come out just a few months later in early 2000, the song would pretty much have had to have been finished by that time. And yep, I went and listened to "Transit" from the Fez show and it was the complete version. But I'm sure I heard the half-finished version somewhere or another. RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:37:45 -0800 (PST) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: Re: [RS] City Winery? clarification: Stephen Stills was my first concert but it was in 1972 not 74. I just asked my sister who is still a huge fan of his, she even remembered the date! And I don't know why my emails come out so crappy, it's not the way I mean them to, makes them difficult to read. Janet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:31:40 -0500 From: Peter Booth Subject: Re: [RS] Round 2 reminder. First concert: Joan Baez with mom. Age 4. 1972 First concert I chose to go to: REM, 1984 Favorite Canadian Artist: Justin Bieber 1. Wisteria 2. I Saw My Youth Today 3. Reunion Hill 4. Mary Magdalene 5. State of the Union 6. Sparrows Point 7. Transit 8. Abuelita 9. The Next Best Western 10. Che Guevara T-Shirt 11.The Weather 12. May 13. The Courier 14. You Stay Here 15. Waiting for the Storm 16. Arrowhead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:45:57 -0500 From: John McDonnell Subject: [RS] Covering Tom Waits Carol wrote: .....I like TW, too. And I hate to tell you, but I really the Hootie (when he was a Blowfish) cover of "I Hope That I Don't Fall in Love With You". Can we agree with the Eagles on "Old 55"???? Hey Carol--do you really like the H&TB version, or really hate it? I'm guessing you like it, but I dont know it, so I cant say one way or the other. I do like the original--its almost maudlin, but he gets the stout and not the girl. As for the Eagles version of Old '55? Not sure which way to go with this. I am not an Eagles fan and I find that their version transforms the song into something entirely different. When they sing "the sun's coming up" I think it means something entirely different from when TW sings it. In their version, it sounds like a positive--literally a new dawn, and something positive When TW sings it, it reminds me of those times I used to leave the bar at 6 am. Not good. Their "riding on lady luck" is, for me, optimistic. His riding on lady luck is an assertion that he's got nothing else, and, as the song goes, if he didnt have bad luck he'd have no luck at all. In general, I think he's a hard artist to cover, or cover well. John McD. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:15:06 -0000 From: =?utf-8?q?john_cl=C3=A9irigh?= Subject: Re: [RS] A thought about covers. I'm always fond of when Richard pulls an Old and in the Way cover out. That record was significant for me too, but these songs are a fabulous showcase of the man's flat picking skillz. - -- JC Sent from my BlackBerryB. PlayBookb" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "RFC" And actually, I'm not sure why I didn't mention what I believe is his BEST cover, one that I believe surpasses the original, and which is my favorite song on the album on which it appears: "Calling the Moon." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:19:24 -0500 From: Pete Jameson Subject: [RS] Deconstructing, Reconstructing, Reimagining I love covers...One of the reimaginings that Richard did that i found particularly compelling was Mercy Street...also, i heard him sing Parsons' "Sin City" once at Falcon Ridge and it was sublime... Anyone heard the Blind Boys of Mississippi sing Amazing Grace to the melody of House of the Rising Sun? Now that's a cover to the 2nd power... Pedro Uncovered http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE4k76VjGdY On Feb 19, 2013, at 7:22 PM, Norman Johnson wrote: > Ron wrote: > >>> imagine I had included RS covers in Much Madness. I'll bet there are a bunch of RS originals that would have lost to recorded covers such as "Cold Missouri Waters," "Shades of Black, Shades of Blue," "Darkness, Darkness" "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and some of the songs on "South of Delia," you agree? << > > Yes. > > I know Richard didn't write it, but I think of Cold Missouri Waters as his song. > > Norman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:46:14 -0500 From: Howie Subject: Re: [RS] Much Madness, Round Two >1. Wisteria - we all have our own wisterias > >2. I Saw My Youth Today - my favorite balloonMan was created by ee >cummings [in Just-] > >3. Reunion Hill - an easy choice > >4. By Now - By Now's creepiness overwhelms MM's clarity > >5. State of the Union - another easy choice > >6. Sparrows Point - the easiest choice, SP is such a phenominal song! > >7. Transit - as much as I love SWCD, it's Transit all the way > >8. Abuelita - the toughest choice - we must never forget that >power corrupts, Abuelita wins by a tear drop > >9. On A Sea Of Fleur-de-Lis - still keeps me wondering about what it means > >10. Money for Floods - ouch, MFF by a hair, as it can be really >more universally applied > >11. Nora - sorry Gene (again) > >12. Kenworth of my Dreams - trucker wins over goatherders > >13. The Courier - honor ekes out survivor > >14. You Stay Here - I'll probably tire of AYHN any year now... > >15. Waiting for the Storm - yet another easy one > >16. Arrowhead - we've all lost an arrowhead or two - -Howie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:15:25 -0500 From: Bernadette Marian Subject: [RS] round 2 I aplogize if this is a dulpicate. Sending from my phone & it didn't give me a "messge sent" notice. Resending. 1. Ascent. v. Wisteria Wisteria wins 2. Balloon Man v. I Saw My Youth Today I saw my youth today wins. I have to go with an old favorite 3. Fenario v. Reunion Hill No contest...Reunion hill 4. By Now v. Mary Magdalene No contest again ...Mary Magdalene 5. There Goes Mavis v. State of the Union Tougher choice in that I "like" mavis but SOTU is a "better" song. Going with State of the Union. I drive that stretch of highway a lot and often think of the character "losing his touch" blowing through the tollboth. 6. Sparrows Point v. Cancion Sencilla Sparrows point in an easy decision 7. Transit v. Summer Wind, Cotton Dress This choice could get me in trouble with listers. I saw RS play Transit the day after he said he began writing it. It was similar but certainly did not progress past about the halfway mark. Sister Maria pulled off the interstate at it's conclusion after a rambling ride through time & space. Today, I think it is a brilliant song, one of his best. However, I have heard it live at every single show since that first time (that translates to at least 25 shows, probably more). I could go about 25 more shows before I hear it live again. Blasphemy, I know. There are too many other neglected songs that don't make it into the set list so i cannot enjoy this one live SO many times. I understand the You Tube issue but still...May hasn't been sung in ages. That said I have "lived" in SWCD. He has almost over played this one as well but I feel I have softer spot for it. So this round I go what I "like" over the "better" song. So SWCD wins it by a nose. 8. Fishing v. Abuelita Abueluta takes this one but not without a knock down, drag out fight. Going for what I perceive to be the underdog and to give the selection committee a pat on the back for giving this favorite a second chance. 9. The Next Best Western v. On A Sea Of Fleur-de-Lis Next Best Western...always loved the line "the preacher is on fire." 10. Money for Floods v. Che Guevara T-Shirt Coin toss but going with Che. 11. Nora v. The Weather Nora takes it uncontested even if I love The Weather 12. May v. Kenworth of my Dreams May by a mile. Kenworth is fun & I have a fond place for it but May is an easy choice. I will add that I can never listen to May without remembering Howie's interpretation. As a newbie lister years ago I read the archives while home sick one day. I laughed out loud when I got to the goats. 13. The Courier v. The Things That I Have Seen Courier for sure but I had to pause to make sure. 14. You Stay Here v. Are You Happy Now You Stay Here gets my vote....sort of for the same reason Transit did not, AYHN is kind of over played. And the duplication of "black & white" never really did anything for me. 15. Waiting for the Storm v. Juggler Out in Traffic Juggler for sure. 16. Arrowhead v. Last Fare Of The Day Another knock down, drag out fight but Arrowhead takes it. As a side note: Because of my intentional listening, my 18 year old son (who has a large collection of "love metal" as opposed to "death metal" music) is interested in learning to play Arrowhead on both bass & drums. I thank The Band, Levon & the Last Waltz for bringing him back to "my" music although Dean Martin & Ol' Blues Eyes had a hand in it too. The content of Arrowhead is as interesting to my son as is the musical structure. My kids have seen RS live many times but I know my son hardly remembers nor was he interested enough to pay attention back then. Another rotation of the circle complete. Bernadette Who is looking forward to seeing RS Thursday night ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:09:16 -0500 From: Howie Subject: Re: [RS] A thought about covers. And, of course, "Sonora's Death Row" and "Famous Blue Raincoat"! - -Howie At 08:12 PM 2/19/2013, you wrote: >Ron wrote: > > > Was thinking . . . imagine I had included RS covers in Much Madness. I'll > > bet there are a bunch of RS originals that would have lost to recorded > > covers such as "Cold Missouri Waters," "Shades of Black, Shades of Blue," > > "Darkness, Darkness" "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and some of the songs on > > "South of Delia," you agree? > > > >Uh, I thought "Darkness, Darkness" WAS an RS song. Doh!! > >What I wonder is if you let the "B-sides" in. I understand and agree with >the rationale that not everyone has access to some of his Fast Folk and >other compilation releases (although a true fan should get them come hell >or high water!!!) but songs like "Before You Go" and "I Am" are in my >personal top 10-15. > >As far as covers, I love the not so known ones like "Paddy's Green Shamrock >Shore" and "Lakes of Pontchartrain". I might vote them over some originals. > >So, yeah. Sophie would have more hard choices if covers and/or single >releases were put out there. > >Anyone else ENTRANCED with "Before You Go"??? I think it's his most >spiritual song. > >*Ciao!* > > >....Carol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:57:01 -0800 From: Subject: [RS] A thought about covers. Was thinking . . . imagine I had included RS covers in Much Madness. I'll bet there are a bunch of RS originals that would have lost to recorded covers such as "Cold Missouri Waters," "Shades of Black, Shades of Blue," "Darkness, Darkness" "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and some of the songs on "South of Delia," you agree? RG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:42:07 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] Unfinished transit Ron wrote: >> You know, I was thinking that he'd played that first half-finished version of "Transit" at the infamous Fez "Soy Bomb" show on 9/22/99. But then realized that with the "Somewhere Near Paterson" album having come out just a few months later in early 2000, the song would pretty much have had to have been finished by that time. And yep, I went and listened to "Transit" from the Fez show and it was the complete version. But I'm sure I heard the half-finished version somewhere or another.<< I heard the unfinished version of Transit at the Iron Horse before the Fez show. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:40:43 -0500 From: Jeff Bernstein Subject: Re: [RS] Calling all idiots Vin is on WFUV in New York on Saturday night from 8-10 and on The Loft from 12-2 PM on Wednesday and Thursday. The Loft shows are repeated a few other times. Jeff On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM, john cliirigh wrote: > Isn't Vin on The Loft on SiriusXM these days? > > -- > JC > Sent from my BlackBerryB. PlayBookb " > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: "Jeff Bernstein" > To: "shindell-list@smoe.org" > Sent: February 20, 2013 4:58 AM > Subject: Re: [RS] Calling all idiots > > Pete - > > We call ourselves iddiots, with a double d. This week is the 18th > anniversary > of the Idiot's Delight Digest, the email list, similar to this, of Vin > listeners. It's not what it used to be since a lot of the action moved to > Facebook groups, but there is a core group of members who have become great > friends over the years, and still get together and socialize a few times a > year. Some of my best friends. > > Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:17:23 -0500 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: Re: [RS] Covering Tom Waits Ol' '55" is a song by American musician Tom Waits. It is the opening track and lead single from Waits' debut studio album, Closing Time, released in March 1973 on Asylum Records. Written by Waits and produced by Jerry Yester, "Ol' '55" was a minor hit. The song has been covered by numerous artists, most notably by the Eagles on their On the Border (1974). Waits has been critical of cover versions of the song, admitting that he was "not that particularly crazy about [the Eagles'] rendition of it ... I thought their version was a little antiseptic."[1] From Wikipedia Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:04:42 -0000 From: =?utf-8?q?john_cl=C3=A9irigh?= Subject: Re: [RS] A thought about covers. I love Pete but I was always a little annoyed by his phrasing in Big Muddy, feeling he was being lazy with it. When I first heard Richard's take on it, it felt like he made it his own with the definitive version. - -- JC Sent from my BlackBerryB. PlayBookb" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "ronsfolkchords@cox.net" To: "shindell-list@smoe.org" Sent: February 19, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: [RS] A thought about covers. Was thinking . . . imagine I had included RS covers in Much Madness. I'll bet there are a bunch of RS originals that would have lost to recorded covers such as "Cold Missouri Waters," "Shades of Black, Shades of Blue," "Darkness, Darkness" "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and some of the songs on "South of Delia," you agree? RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:22:20 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] Under the covers Ron wrote: >> imagine I had included RS covers in Much Madness. I'll bet there >> are a bunch of RS originals that would have lost to recorded covers >> such as "Cold Missouri Waters," "Shades of Black, Shades of Blue," >> "Darkness, Darkness" "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and some of the >> songs on "South of Delia," you agree? << Yes. I know Richard didn't write it, but I think of Cold Missouri Waters as his song. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:29:23 -0800 From: Subject: [RS] Re: Much Madness Round 2 >> I know the selection is done by a 'committee of Ron'. But, how do you make these match-ups? Are they random, out of a hat? Or is there any thought to them? << No thought, no favoritism, and no seeding except selecting which six would get first round byes. The only other conscious decision was leaving "Merritt Parkway" and "Satellites" out of the tournament to allow first-round loser "Abuelita" back into this round as a wild card. Selection was done totally randomly. Titles cut up into individual slips of paper and drawn from a hat two at a time to establish pairings. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:12:38 -0500 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] A thought about covers. Ron wrote: > Was thinking . . . imagine I had included RS covers in Much Madness. I'll > bet there are a bunch of RS originals that would have lost to recorded > covers such as "Cold Missouri Waters," "Shades of Black, Shades of Blue," > "Darkness, Darkness" "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and some of the songs on > "South of Delia," you agree? Uh, I thought "Darkness, Darkness" WAS an RS song. Doh!! What I wonder is if you let the "B-sides" in. I understand and agree with the rationale that not everyone has access to some of his Fast Folk and other compilation releases (although a true fan should get them come hell or high water!!!) but songs like "Before You Go" and "I Am" are in my personal top 10-15. As far as covers, I love the not so known ones like "Paddy's Green Shamrock Shore" and "Lakes of Pontchartrain". I might vote them over some originals. So, yeah. Sophie would have more hard choices if covers and/or single releases were put out there. Anyone else ENTRANCED with "Before You Go"??? I think it's his most spiritual song. *Ciao!* ....Carol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:42:21 -0800 (PST) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: Re: [RS] A thought about covers. I find his cover of Calling the Moon to be the best version and I never grow tired of hearing it. I also love his cover of Dave Carter's The Mountain. And I loved when he covered Paul Simon's America, I always hoped it would wind up on one of his cds but I guess that doesn't count!Janet - --- On Tue, 2/19/13, ronsfolkchords@cox.net wrote:Was thinking . . . imagine I had included RS covers in Much Madness. I'll bet there are a bunch of RS originals that would have lost to recorded covers such as "Cold Missouri Waters," "Shades of Black, Shades of Blue," "Darkness, Darkness" "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and some of the songs on "South of Delia," you agree? RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:50:22 -0800 (PST) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: [RS] City Winery? Hey anyone go? I was supposed to go but life got in the way! Also, I've been driving myself crazy trying to remember my first concert. I remember going with my older sisters to Central Park to the Schaffer Music concerts (anyone remember them? in the early 70's) but there were quite a number of people that played there. And for the life of me, I can't remember any names but I suspect there were some heavy hitters before they got famous. I was just too worried about getting out of there in one piece! I'd have to pick the first concert I can remember standing on line to buy the tickets for and that was my sister's heart-throb Stephen Stills. It also happened to fall on the night Nixon announced he would be resigning. God I'm old! Lol Janet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:23:28 -0000 From: =?utf-8?q?john_cl=C3=A9irigh?= Subject: Re: [RS] Calling all idiots Isn't Vin on The Loft on SiriusXM these days? - -- JC Sent from my BlackBerryB. PlayBookb" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Jeff Bernstein" To: "shindell-list@smoe.org" Sent: February 20, 2013 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [RS] Calling all idiots Pete - We call ourselves iddiots, with a double d. This week is the 18th anniversary of the Idiot's Delight Digest, the email list, similar to this, of Vin listeners. It's not what it used to be since a lot of the action moved to Facebook groups, but there is a core group of members who have become great friends over the years, and still get together and socialize a few times a year. Some of my best friends. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:39:39 -0500 (EST) From: ozwoman321@aol.com Subject: [RS] Round 2 reminder. 1. Wisteria 2. Balloon Man 3. Reunion Hill 4. Mary Magdalene 5. There Goes Mavis 6. Sparrows Point 7. Transit 8. Fishing 9. The Next Best Western 10. Che Guevara T-Shirt 11. Nora 12. Kenworth of my Dreams 13. The Courier 14. Are You Happy Now 15. Juggler Out in Traffic 16. Last Fare Of The Day Susan www.labyrinthcafe.com www.facebook.com/labyrinth.cafe.concerts www.browardfolkclub.com www.gotfolk.com "god bless the sound of music, god bless the golden rule..." ~ Danny Schmidt ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V12 #388 ************************************