From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V12 #151 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, October 15 2012 Volume 12 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] A Shindell Primer ["Michael & Linda Marmer" ] Re: [RS] Shindell Newbie... [Norman Johnson ] [RS] A Shindell Primer [Pete Jameson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:23:34 -0400 From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" Subject: Re: [RS] A Shindell Primer I agree with Pedro on the live recording, as I see he has many of the songs I picked for my CD in the early years. I made this CD before Vuelta came out. Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Pete Jameson Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 12:31 PM To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: [RS] A Shindell Primer ...i have to disagree with starting with an artist's mid-career live record...especially in Richard's case -- Courier reflects a Shindell not oft seen: with full band, which may be the best way to hear him live (or not), but the songs, underproduced on record #1, overproduced by record #4, are at the core of the gravitas that marks the Metro Man's particular ilan...start at the beginning, where there are five essential Shindell delectables, and progress thru the (studio) discography as follows: Recording: Sparrows Point (1992) Essentials: Are You Happy Now?, The Courier, The Kenworth of My Dreams, On a Sea of Fleur-De-Lis***{standout track), Nora Recording: Blue Divide (1994) Essentials: A Summer Wind, A Cotton Dress (1 song), Fishing***(standout track), The Ballad of Mary Magdalene, Arrowhead Recording: Reunion Hill (1997) Essentials: The Next Best Western, May, I Saw My Youth Today, Reunion Hill***(standout track), , The Weather Recording: Somewhere Near Paterson (2000) Essentials: Confession, Abuelita, You Stay Here***(co-standout track), Wisteria, Transit***(co-standout track) Recording: Vuelta (2004) Essentials: Fenario, Che Guevara T-Shirt, There Goes Mavis***(standout track), Last Fare of the Day Recording: South of Delia (2007) NOTE: Record of other songwriters' compositions. Essentials: Senor (Dylan), Mercy Street (Gabriel), Northbound 35 (Jeffrey Foucault), Deportee (Guthrie) Recording: Not Far Now (2009) Essentials: Mariana's Table, State of the Union, Get Up Clara, The Mountain (Dave Carter song), Balloon Man***(standout track). The information contained in this e-mail may be shared with ANYONE. The author stands by the opinions stated within. Disputatious replies are welcome. Pedro in PA On Oct 15, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Johannes Schult wrote: > Introducing someone else to your favourite music is always a thrill - and > a > great source of pain, because you have to fight the urge to empty a > truckload of > songs/recordings on the unsuspecting victim. > > In other words, I usually keep things short. CDs might hold 80 minutes of > music > and a USB drive can store Richard's entire discography, but you cannot > digest > such a huge amount of music. Plus, the goal shouldn't be complete > enlightment, > just a showcase of what to expect. This also gives more weight to each > individual song. > > Personally, I'd start with the songs that got me interested in Richard > Shindell: > > 1. The Courier (live) > 2. You Stay Here > 3. Arrowhead (live) > > Then three of his best songs and "classics": > > 4. Reunion Hill > 5. Fishing > 6. Wisteria > > Now it gets tricky. Are You Happy Now? should be on such a collection - > still, I > think "Last Fare of the Day" is, well, deeper, more moving, "better". > Though > choice... > > 7. Are You Happy Now? > > At this point I would include the Garden Shed Session version of Your > Guitar - > just too beautiful and impressive to not feature it. If you want to stick > to > album song, I'd use Confession, because it hasn't lost any of its urgency > (and > it was also among the first Shindell songs I really liked). > > 8. Your Guitar > > I already discarded two songs I love - and now I'm listing a song I don't > like > very much. It breaks my heart, but Mavis is a regular in Richard's live > set and > many enjoy it. > > 9. There Goes Mavis > > The creepy ending: > > 10. By Now > > I love songs like One Man's Arkansas and Before You Go. Still, they might > work > even better when you are already familiar with Richard's style and are > prepared > to deal with his lyrical and musical genius. > > Best regards, > Johannes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:55:46 -0400 (EDT) From: rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] RS sampler. See, for me, there's a huge difference between "SongsI'd use to introduce someone to RS" versus "RS songs I absolutely cannot livewithout." For the former, itbs the tried and true . . .primarily the songs from the live CD, just in their studio versions. But for the latter, it's a whole 'nother can ofcheese, with songs (primarily, at least) NOT from the live CD, since I'm beyond tired of most of them. These are my must-haves: Courier On a Sea of Fleur-de-Lis By Now Ascent Blue Divide I Saw my Youth Today May Money for Floods Reunion Hill (live version) Wisteria Waiting for the Storm Calling the Moon Che Guevara T-Shirt Last Fare of the Day One Manbs Arkansas State of the Union Balloon Man (EP version with the additional last verse) Yes, this means that such staples as "Mary Magdalene,""Next Best Western," "Summer Wind, Cotton Dress," "Fishing," "Arrowhead," "Kenworth,"and of course "Are You Happy Now?" wind up in the "I'm over these" file. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:34:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Johannes Schult Subject: Re: [RS] Soong sampler Introducing someone else to your favourite music is always a thrill - and a great source of pain, because you have to fight the urge to empty a truckload of songs/recordings on the unsuspecting victim. In other words, I usually keep things short. CDs might hold 80 minutes of music and a USB drive can store Richard's entire discography, but you cannot digest such a huge amount of music. Plus, the goal shouldn't be complete enlightment, just a showcase of what to expect. This also gives more weight to each individual song. Personally, I'd start with the songs that got me interested in Richard Shindell: 1. The Courier (live) 2. You Stay Here 3. Arrowhead (live) Then three of his best songs and "classics": 4. Reunion Hill 5. Fishing 6. Wisteria Now it gets tricky. Are You Happy Now? should be on such a collection - still, I think "Last Fare of the Day" is, well, deeper, more moving, "better". Though choice... 7. Are You Happy Now? At this point I would include the Garden Shed Session version of Your Guitar - just too beautiful and impressive to not feature it. If you want to stick to album song, I'd use Confession, because it hasn't lost any of its urgency (and it was also among the first Shindell songs I really liked). 8. Your Guitar I already discarded two songs I love - and now I'm listing a song I don't like very much. It breaks my heart, but Mavis is a regular in Richard's live set and many enjoy it. 9. There Goes Mavis The creepy ending: 10. By Now I love songs like One Man's Arkansas and Before You Go. Still, they might work even better when you are already familiar with Richard's style and are prepared to deal with his lyrical and musical genius. Best regards, Johannes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 15:45:15 -0400 From: Norman Johnson Subject: Re: [RS] Shindell Newbie... Carol wrote: >> I just found out a good friend, guitarist and folk music lover has never heard RS. My question is, if you were making a sampler for a Shindell "virgin", what would you put on the CD?? I have to confess that his first four albums, plus Cry, Cry, Cry are my favorites, but there is almost 2-3 songs on every one of his albums I can't live without. Ideas??? Musts??? What's YOUR favorite song??<< I'd start him off with the live album, Courier. I, too, am drawn more to the earlier RS work. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:31:27 -0400 From: Pete Jameson Subject: [RS] A Shindell Primer ...i have to disagree with starting with an artist's mid-career live record...especially in Richard's case -- Courier reflects a Shindell not oft seen: with full band, which may be the best way to hear him live (or not), but the songs, underproduced on record #1, overproduced by record #4, are at the core of the gravitas that marks the Metro Man's particular ilan...start at the beginning, where there are five essential Shindell delectables, and progress thru the (studio) discography as follows: Recording: Sparrows Point (1992) Essentials: Are You Happy Now?, The Courier, The Kenworth of My Dreams, On a Sea of Fleur-De-Lis***{standout track), Nora Recording: Blue Divide (1994) Essentials: A Summer Wind, A Cotton Dress (1 song), Fishing***(standout track), The Ballad of Mary Magdalene, Arrowhead Recording: Reunion Hill (1997) Essentials: The Next Best Western, May, I Saw My Youth Today, Reunion Hill***(standout track), , The Weather Recording: Somewhere Near Paterson (2000) Essentials: Confession, Abuelita, You Stay Here***(co-standout track), Wisteria, Transit***(co-standout track) Recording: Vuelta (2004) Essentials: Fenario, Che Guevara T-Shirt, There Goes Mavis***(standout track), Last Fare of the Day Recording: South of Delia (2007) NOTE: Record of other songwriters' compositions. Essentials: Senor (Dylan), Mercy Street (Gabriel), Northbound 35 (Jeffrey Foucault), Deportee (Guthrie) Recording: Not Far Now (2009) Essentials: Mariana's Table, State of the Union, Get Up Clara, The Mountain (Dave Carter song), Balloon Man***(standout track). The information contained in this e-mail may be shared with ANYONE. The author stands by the opinions stated within. Disputatious replies are welcome. Pedro in PA On Oct 15, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Johannes Schult wrote: > Introducing someone else to your favourite music is always a thrill - and a > great source of pain, because you have to fight the urge to empty a truckload of > songs/recordings on the unsuspecting victim. > > In other words, I usually keep things short. CDs might hold 80 minutes of music > and a USB drive can store Richard's entire discography, but you cannot digest > such a huge amount of music. Plus, the goal shouldn't be complete enlightment, > just a showcase of what to expect. This also gives more weight to each > individual song. > > Personally, I'd start with the songs that got me interested in Richard Shindell: > > 1. The Courier (live) > 2. You Stay Here > 3. Arrowhead (live) > > Then three of his best songs and "classics": > > 4. Reunion Hill > 5. Fishing > 6. Wisteria > > Now it gets tricky. Are You Happy Now? should be on such a collection - still, I > think "Last Fare of the Day" is, well, deeper, more moving, "better". Though > choice... > > 7. Are You Happy Now? > > At this point I would include the Garden Shed Session version of Your Guitar - > just too beautiful and impressive to not feature it. If you want to stick to > album song, I'd use Confession, because it hasn't lost any of its urgency (and > it was also among the first Shindell songs I really liked). > > 8. Your Guitar > > I already discarded two songs I love - and now I'm listing a song I don't like > very much. It breaks my heart, but Mavis is a regular in Richard's live set and > many enjoy it. > > 9. There Goes Mavis > > The creepy ending: > > 10. By Now > > I love songs like One Man's Arkansas and Before You Go. Still, they might work > even better when you are already familiar with Richard's style and are prepared > to deal with his lyrical and musical genius. > > Best regards, > Johannes ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V12 #151 ************************************