From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V12 #35 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, October 1 2011 Volume 12 : Number 035 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Favorites and Allison Re: [RS] Hello from a newbie [Norman Johnson ] Re: [RS] Hello from a newbie [Martin Giles ] [RS] Nora [Martin Giles ] Re: [RS] Nora [Carol Love ] Re: [RS] Nora [Carol Love ] [RS] Terence Martin [Isabel Frey ] Re: [RS] Hello from a newbie [Carol Love ] Re: Favorites and Allison Re: [RS] Hello from a newbie ["ja clary" Subject: Favorites and Allison Re: [RS] Hello from a newbie Carol wrote: >> I always feel guilty when I say this but RS's first four albums, "Sparrows Point", "Blue Divide", "Reunion Hill" and "Somewhere Near Paterson" -- are my favorites. And I would tell someone to buy/listen to them in that order. << Those are my favorites as well. Same with Dar's first four albums. >> Oh, and while I'm posting -- I have a cover for the RS wish list: an acoustic version of Elvis Costello's "Alison". I know Nick Lowe did it, but I think Richard could REALLY do something both with his guitar and vocally with this song. << Interesting choice, though if Richard covers it, Lucy must sing harmony... did you know that Linda Ronstadt covered Alison in the late 70s (Living in the USA album)? Norman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 20:08:19 -0400 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] Nora: not dead yet Me: Carol: didn't you also think Nora was dead? Carol: ....No, his thank you for the play sounds like she's still around, as does mentioning that the storm had passed over her. I agree, though I recall someone on the List wondering whether Nora was dead. I think there are two letters: one for each verse. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:15:29 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: [RS] Hello from a newbie Hi Evelyn When I saw RS play at the Shrewsbury Folk Festival last year, he opened with You Stay Here. But he did a version that Steve Knightly of Show Of Hands played to him the previous evening - Shindell said he was going to play it first so he didn't forget the arrangement. It has a much more conventional, less frenetic guitar part which is think I like as much as RS's original. It is a very powerful song, and I think a classic in the way that he manages to tell you as much by inference as by direct description. The picture builds up with each verse - although no doubt we all have our own pictures. Martin. ""You Stay Here" (about 8 or 9 years ago, I think). Its chilling portrayal of urban warfare snapped me into some kind of trance where I was experiencing the events in the song, including the part about the kids -- I have a set of twins, then about 8 years old... "You stay here and I'll go look for bread/ And if I can, some sugar for the kids", or "You stay here and I'll go look for coats/ There might still be some out on the road / We'll wash them clean with melted snow/ The kids don't ever have to know...."" - -- There are 10 kinds of people in this world - those who understand binary and those who don't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:26:10 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: [RS] Nora I'm curious about this song. (I've got the live version from Courier, by the way). The impression I get from it is that they have had an affair, or perhaps just been in love, though she is married. The main reference is of course Eloise and Abelard, who I seem to recall were a student and teacher who fell in love in mediaeval times. I don't remember the details, but there was a something about not being allowed to marry, but still going ahead, but them both separating and living lives in penance. Something like that. But I'm a bit stuck. I think I'm missing the main point of the song, or at least something crucial in how this ties up with Shindell's character and Nora. Can anyone help? Cheers! Martin. - - There are 10 kinds of people in this world - those who understand binary and those who don't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 19:18:12 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] Nora On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Norman wrote: > > Carol: didn't you also think Nora was dead? > ....No, his thank you for the play sounds like she's still around, as does mentioning that the storm had passed over her. Oh, and you know RS will never confirm or deny. He likes the mystery. ....Carol ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:14:50 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] Nora I have a pet theory, *supported by nothing from Shindell*, that this song is for his Mom. I *think* I remember him playing it as her request at a show. Anyway, my clue is that his folks are divorced. (As are mine....) Just my conspiracy theory..... ~ Carol On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Martin Giles wrote: > I'm curious about this song. (I've got the live version from Courier, by > the > way). > > The impression I get from it is that they have had an affair, or perhaps > just been in love, though she is married. The main reference is of course > Eloise and Abelard, who I seem to recall were a student and teacher who > fell > in love in mediaeval times. I don't remember the details, but there was a > something about not being allowed to marry, but still going ahead, but them > both separating and living lives in penance. Something like that. > > But I'm a bit stuck. I think I'm missing the main point of the song, or at > least something crucial in how this ties up with Shindell's character and > Nora. Can anyone help? Cheers! > > Martin. > - > There are 10 kinds of people in this world - those who understand binary > and > those who don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:34:26 -0400 From: Isabel Frey Subject: [RS] Terence Martin John Platt of WFUV posted on Facebook on Sept. 8 that he was "very sad to hear that Terence Martin, a world class singer-songwriter who happens to live in Larchmont (and who has always deserved far more recognition) is critically ill with pancreatic cancer. That gentle giant Monty Delaney is putting together a living tribute and fundraiser for him with K.J. Denhert, Dan Bonis, and others on Sept. 17." There's more information on the fundraiser on Delaney's website, http://www.montgomerydelaney.com . Just click "schedule." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 19:34:54 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] Hello from a newbie Welcome, Martin. I always feel guilty when I say this but RS's first four albums, "Sparrows Point", "Blue Divide", "Reunion Hill" and "Somewhere Near Paterson" -- are my favorites. And I would tell someone to buy/listen to them in that order. Of course, that was also back in the day when his oldest son lived in Central Florida, as I do -- so I got to see him live MUCH more often. I don't know if that affects my preference or not. He's always got 2-3 tracks on subsequent albums that I can't live without, for instance, "Last Fare of the Day" and the acoustic version of "Balloon Man" -- but the Shanachie label years seem to be golden for me. I'm jealous of you just "discovering" Richard. You have some treats in store!!! Oh, and while I'm posting -- I have a cover for the RS wish list: an acoustic version of Elvis Costello's "Alison". I know Nick Lowe did it, but I think Richard could REALLY do something both with his guitar and vocally with this song. ...Carol Also there are some single releases such as "Before You Go" and "I Am" that also make my hair stand up. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 02:28:10 +0000 From: "ja clary" Subject: Re: Favorites and Allison Re: [RS] Hello from a newbie Allison is certainly dark enough to fit into the RS catalog. But it is way more subtle than, say, By Now or Sonora's Death Row. If he did cover it, he might have enough for a whole murder EP. ;-) - -john - -- ja clary - -----Original Message----- From: Norman Johnson Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 20:15:23 To: Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: Favorites and Allison Re: [RS] Hello from a newbie Carol wrote: >> I always feel guilty when I say this but RS's first four albums, "Sparrows Point", "Blue Divide", "Reunion Hill" and "Somewhere Near Paterson" -- are my favorites. And I would tell someone to buy/listen to them in that order. << Those are my favorites as well. Same with Dar's first four albums. >> Oh, and while I'm posting -- I have a cover for the RS wish list: an acoustic version of Elvis Costello's "Alison". I know Nick Lowe did it, but I think Richard could REALLY do something both with his guitar and vocally with this song. << Interesting choice, though if Richard covers it, Lucy must sing harmony... did you know that Linda Ronstadt covered Alison in the late 70s (Living in the USA album)? Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V12 #35 ***********************************