From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V11 #71 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, September 26 2010 Volume 11 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] the dutch tour [Ronnie de Champs ] Re: [RS] the dutch tour [rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] the dutch tour [Carol Love ] RE: [RS] the dutch tour (addendum) [Ronnie de Champs Subject: [RS] the dutch tour finally found the time to comment a little on Richard's Dutch tour which took place last week. There were 4 shows scheduled but I must confess I missed one. First show was in Eindhoven on monday, I missed the one in Westwoud on tuesday but went to see him (and Marc Shulman offcourse) on Wednesday in Den Haag and friday in Lage Vuursche / in the woods. Setlists were not as adventurous as at the 3 UK shows I attended. He never asked for requests which he did at all the UK shows. Though I would have loved to hear a few more 'unusual' song choices, they were still very good shows overall (does he ever play a bad show ?) While NFN was the only cd on sale Richard hardly plays songs of it. As he once saifd promting is not his forte. He usually plays Clara and Balloon man and that's it. We got a One Man's Arkansas in Den Haag but that was it, regarding the new record. Has he given up on all the others? He told the audience in the UK he couldn't play Parasol Ants as he hadn't brough his Bouzouki with him and my shout for The mountain was denied (can't do that one) but why no Arkansas, Gethsemani, Marianna, State of the Union, Bye Bye, Juggler more often (in the Uk I got Juggler and Gethsemani once and Arkansa twice). I still think these are great songs and it might entice people to the new record a bit more. The more unusual songs we got on the dutch tour were Nora - a request made to Marc before the Den Haag show - he passed it on ( a real nice lady asked to play Nora), the aforementioned Arkansas and 3 performances of She Belongs to me ("we never know how it is going to end") and offcourse the new ones (Stray Cow and Satellites) This tour especially his singing impressed me and i am not talking about the flubbed lyrics (several) but just the singing voice in general. I don't why but it struck me at the Den Haag concert I had never heard him sing this well (or maybe hadn't listened good enough). Maybe because Marc is there he can concentrate a bit more on the singing? Richard requested no photographs being taken at the Den Haag and in the Woods shows, which I had never heard him do (actually I still never have because the promoters of those gig did the request but it was at Richard's behalf). I think the Eindhoven gig might have caused this. There were at least 3 photographers there, walking through the venue and taking pictures all through the show (I have been at this venue before and these guys have been there all the time). At the first house concert in Turner's Hill he made a recurring joke of it. After the first song he asked the photographer if she intended to keep making shots during the rest of the show as the shots would be more or less the same, his pose wouldn't change much. Anytime he had a different pose (tuning or so) he would look at her showing off his stance. I can see people wanting to take a photo or 2 but just do it during the first few songs and be done with it. As the man says, the pics won't differ much and apparantly it distracts him. We got a fantastic version of Mavis at the Eindhoven show, which gave me Goosebumps. At the other 2 shows he played the song with a little guitar intro (not as terrific as the Prove it all night intro Springsteen did at his 78 Darkness tour show though. Big news of the year for me is his upcoming Darkness box - 3cd, 3dvd) but nice nonetheless. Richard had bought a new toy since I saw him in England, a tenner guitar (do I write this the right way?) which he wanted to play constantly (and did frequently, mostly on golden oldies like Fishing, Reunion hill, Mary Magdalene etc) some comment Richard made during the shows: His fathers comment after hearing Fishing was "I thought you liked the fishing trips" Someone had pointed out to him that the name of the beach, combined with the apocalyptic feel of the song, in Mavis had a nice soundin meaning (nuke 'em hollow). I know I write this down a bit strange but I can't find the right words to describe it (connotation?) hopefully you'll forgive me. He said he hoped to be back next year or maybe in 2012 and wants to play the Paradiso then. I will be there Ronnie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:37:33 -0400 From: rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] the dutch tour >> why no Arkansas, Gethsemani, Marianna, State of the Union, Bye Bye, Juggler more often << My guess is we'll never hear "State of the Union" again. He didn't even want to put it on the CD, due, I imagine, to the subject matter being pretty out-of-date by the time of NFN's release. Looking forward to seeing him in November up at McCabe's in Santa Monica, which is about as close as he gets to San Diego anymore. RG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:14:38 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] the dutch tour >>>On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Ronnie de Champs < ronniedechamps@hotmail.com> wrote: The more unusual songs we got on the dutch tour were Nora - a request made to Marc before the Den Haag show - <<< Ronnie, I don't want to burst your bubble, but Nora is not an usual nod to his older material. I have a pet theory, supported by nothing but my woman's intuition, that he wrote that song for his Mother. Although I know she's not married to a minister in Greenland. I can't believe "Balloon Man" is off the table. THAT is one of his most melodic tunes for me on NFN -- ESPECIALLY the acoustic bonus version. I have heard him say he won't do requests he doesn't know backwards and forwards because he doesn't want a blooper reel on youtube.com. There's already been one, so he's not paranoid without cause. I possess both these traits myself, so I believe I can say that RS is both a control freak and a perfectionist. That leads to no chances on songs a he doesn't know in his sleep, and it probably leads to irritation in constant photographs. And to paraphrase the man himself, perhaps he can be just touchy as hell. As for pictures, and I can hear Ron G's eyes rolling four time zones away....but...last weekend we went on to the field after the Tampa Bay Ray's game for the Adam Lambert concert. Different set up than an acoustic show, but people with their cell phones and cameras were taking pictures NON STOP. Factor in that I come to the playing field (pun intended) at only 5'3". So if some delightful soul decides she/he's going to get Adam in every possible snarl and pose, that's an arm up in my way. If the artist permits, and you can get yourself off to a side for one or two pics, that's one thing. But non stop shutterbugging is rude to all concerned. I had my picture taken with RS back in the 90's but now have no idea where that shot has gone off to. We were both a lot younger. (He's almost exactly 2 years my senior -- both August b-days....) Do we know, does he have an A & R person any more??? Or is he all freelance??? ....Carol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:33:49 +0200 From: Ronnie de Champs Subject: RE: [RS] the dutch tour (addendum) Rereading my post after the first replies I see it looks like he only played Arkansas fro mthe new record. Just to be clear I meant that besides Clara and Balloon Man which were played 3 times and 2 times respectively. And one other unusual song played was Beyond the Iron Gate in Den Haag (how could I forget that?) Ronnie - ---------------------------------------- > From: ronniedechamps@hotmail.com > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Subject: [RS] the dutch tour > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:02:31 +0200 > > finally found the time to comment a little on Richard's Dutch tour which took place last week. There were 4 shows scheduled but I must confess I missed one. > First show was in Eindhoven on monday, I missed the one in Westwoud on tuesday but went to see him (and Marc Shulman offcourse) on Wednesday in Den Haag and friday in Lage Vuursche / in the woods. > > Setlists were not as adventurous as at the 3 UK shows I attended. He never asked for requests which he did at all the UK shows. > Though I would have loved to hear a few more 'unusual' song choices, they were still very good shows overall (does he ever play a bad show ?) > While NFN was the only cd on sale Richard hardly plays songs of it. As he once saifd promting is not his forte. He usually plays Clara and Balloon man and that's it. We got a One Man's Arkansas in Den Haag but that was it, regarding the new record. Has he given up on all the others? He told the audience in the UK he couldn't play Parasol Ants as he hadn't brough his Bouzouki with him and my shout for The mountain was denied (can't do that one) but why no Arkansas, Gethsemani, Marianna, State of the Union, Bye Bye, Juggler more often (in the Uk I got Juggler and Gethsemani once and Arkansa twice). I still think these are great songs and it might entice people to the new record a bit more. > > The more unusual songs we got on the dutch tour were > Nora - a request made to Marc before the Den Haag show - he passed it on ( a real nice lady asked to play Nora), the aforementioned Arkansas and 3 performances of She Belongs to me ("we never know how it is going to end") and offcourse the new ones (Stray Cow and Satellites) > > This tour especially his singing impressed me and i am not talking about the flubbed lyrics (several) but just the singing voice in general. I don't why but it struck me at the Den Haag concert I had never heard him sing this well (or maybe hadn't listened good enough). Maybe because Marc is there he can concentrate a bit more on the singing? > > Richard requested no photographs being taken at the Den Haag and in the Woods shows, which I had never heard him do (actually I still never have because the promoters of those gig did the request but it was at Richard's behalf). I think the Eindhoven gig might have caused this. There were at least 3 photographers there, walking through the venue and taking pictures all through the show (I have been at this venue before and these guys have been there all the time). At the first house concert in Turner's Hill he made a recurring joke of it. After the first song he asked the photographer if she intended to keep making shots during the rest of the show as the shots would be more or less the same, his pose wouldn't change much. Anytime he had a different pose (tuning or so) he would look at her showing off his stance. > I can see people wanting to take a photo or 2 but just do it during the first few songs and be done with it. As the man says, the pics won't differ much and apparantly it distracts him. > > We got a fantastic version of Mavis at the Eindhoven show, which gave me Goosebumps. At the other 2 shows he played the song with a little guitar intro (not as terrific as the Prove it all night intro Springsteen did at his 78 Darkness tour show though. Big news of the year for me is his upcoming Darkness box - 3cd, 3dvd) but nice nonetheless. > > Richard had bought a new toy since I saw him in England, a tenner guitar (do I write this the right way?) which he wanted to play constantly (and did frequently, mostly on golden oldies like Fishing, Reunion hill, Mary Magdalene etc) > > some comment Richard made during the shows: > His fathers comment after hearing Fishing was "I thought you liked the fishing trips" > Someone had pointed out to him that the name of the beach, combined with the apocalyptic feel of the song, in Mavis had a nice soundin meaning (nuke 'em hollow). I know I write this down a bit strange but I can't find the right words to describe it (connotation?) hopefully you'll forgive me. > > He said he hoped to be back next year or maybe in 2012 and wants to play the Paradiso then. > I will be there > > Ronnie ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V11 #71 ***********************************