From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V10 #94 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, May 16 2009 Volume 10 : Number 094 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [RS] Retread ["John Fix 3rd" ] RE: [RS] Retread [] [RS] and/or ["Pete Jameson" ] [RS] Was Richard in the military? ["Matthew Bullis" ] [RS] language and radio [njohnson@ent.umass.edu] Re: [RS] language and radio ["Matthew Bullis" ] Re: [RS] Was Richard in the military? [njohnson@ent.umass.edu] Re: [RS] and/or [] [RS] YouTube video. [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:05:05 -0400 From: "John Fix 3rd" Subject: RE: [RS] Retread > -----Original Message----- > > Anyway.......for those of you who felt the 9/11 references were there, > are > they still as vivid today, over seven years after the attacks? > Living so close to NYC (Westchester County) and having several friends who spent days searching the city for their loved ones who worked at WTC, I don't think I will ever get past the 9/11 imagery in this song (or any number of other songs, like Springsteen's "Missing"). This is a song I can go back to and not get depressed...it has such a hopeful finish. Compare to "Missing" or "I Am" which are not quite so hopeful, both being songs that exist on 9/11 and the days immediately after when things were so bleak and sad. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:37:38 -0400 From: Subject: RE: [RS] Retread >> I don't think I will ever get past the 9/11 imagery in this song << Question: if you didn't know the first part of the song takes place in the days after 9/11, WOULD you know? The song never jumped out at me as being quite that obvious. Less so, certainly, than Lucy's "Land of the Living," Mark Erelli's "The Only Way," David Francey's "Grim Cathedral," etc. RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:58:52 -0400 From: "Pete Jameson" Subject: [RS] and/or Ron, Mea culpa. I had it in reverse. Look at the website. You don't find it curious that he chose to omit Nora's lyrics from Sparrow's Point and include the revised lyrics on Courier? Unfortunately, you and I are kinda like Fox News and the N.Y. Times. I'll leave it up to you to identify yourself... Pedro on the run ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 16:29:46 -0700 From: "Matthew Bullis" Subject: [RS] Was Richard in the military? Hello, listening to Sparows Point, which has two military-themed songs, and then Blue Divide has a very pointed Things That I Have Seen. It makes me wonder if Richard had ever been in the military? He never has said anything that I know of, but then the other day, I also learned from an old WFUV archives show that he had a first wife, as well as an older son from that first marriage. Anyhow, does anyone know? Thanks a lot. Matthew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:20:22 -0700 From: "BillChmelir" Subject: [RS] Offense Ron, you wrote: <> Artists are more likely to censor themselves on radio appearances, where FCC regulations might get in the way. In concert, I've seen artists simply warn he audience about the potentially offensive word: I've seen Peter Mulvey do it with "Sad, Sad, Sad, Sad" and Kris Delmhorst with "Honeyed Out," both of which use the F word. << I've seen a youtube video where Billy Joel warns about the language in Laura (feeling like a blanky fool) and even has a blinking light to signify when the word is coming. >> It CAN mess with the song, though: when I first heard Richard do "State of the Union," it was on a radio broadcast, and he replaced the word "shit" with "mud" in the last verse, making no sense, and robbing the verse of its power.<< You heard State of the Union on the radio? Which station?? On changing song lyrics, sometimes it's a feature not a bug. I think the newer arrangement of Mary Magdalen, ending with Jesus arms surrounding MM at the olive tree, has a greater emotional punch even though it's not chronologically linear. I also like waiting to see what modifier to Republicans Richard will use in Transit. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:29:18 -0700 From: "Matthew Bullis" Subject: Re: [RS] language and radio The version I heard with the word mud in it is from an appearance Richard did in July of 2007 on WAMC Albany. I forget how they offered it, but they either let you stream the appearance or download an mp3 from their site. The show was called Performance Place. Try: www.wamc.org and see if it's still up there. Thanks a lot. Matthew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:43:52 -0400 From: njohnson@ent.umass.edu Subject: Re: [RS] Was Richard in the military? Matthew Bullis wrote: >> Hello, listening to Sparows Point, which has two military-themed songs, and then Blue Divide has a very pointed Things That I Have Seen. It makes me wonder if Richard had ever been in the military? He never has said anything that I know of, but then the other day, I also learned from an old WFUV archives show that he had a first wife, as well as an older son from that first marriage. Anyhow, does anyone know? << I'm 99.9% sure that Richard was not in the military. I'm also pretty sure that Richard was not arund 2,000 years ago, nor was he a Civil War widow, nor was a day trader, nor was he a truck driver, nor was he a cab driver (neither was Harry Chapin, by the way, though he had contemplated it). :) Norman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:07:23 -0700 From: Subject: Re: [RS] and/or >> Look at the website. You don't find it curious that he chose to omit Nora's lyrics from Sparrow's Point and include the revised lyrics on Courier? << I did look, and the "Sparrows Point" lyrics (WITH "Nora") are there, way down at the bottom of the right column. But except for the "Courier" version, I've never heard it sung with "and," either before or since. Not that it really matters. I find it no more curious than the other random changes he makes to songs here and there, often temporarily. "He just might keep OUR love in view" versus "my love" in "Reunion Hill." "marching over bloody Hell" versus "Bloody Hill" in "Arrowhead." The way the last section on "The Courier" is sometimes done in first person, sometimes in third person. >> Unfortunately, you and I are kinda like Fox News and the N.Y. Times. I'll leave it up to you to identify yourself. << That sound of crickets you hear is me, not taking the bait. ;-) RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:21:56 -0700 From: Subject: [RS] YouTube video. There's a new video of RS doing "Gesthemani Goodbye" up on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsZkRwUBOBA RG ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V10 #94 ***********************************