From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V10 #91 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, May 15 2009 Volume 10 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] last fare of the day.... [Amy Cocuzza ] [RS] Shindell the Mystic ["Pete Jameson" ] Re: [RS] language [Carol Love ] [RS] last fare of the day.... ["John Fix 3rd" Subject: Re: [RS] last fare of the day.... I'm with Ron  I always liked the two couple version better. The one couple version was a little too pat for my taste. I saw the first couple as being older, anyway (not "old," mind you, just older). I envision the second couple being around the same age as whoever it is that the first couple is searching for. Amy L. Cocuzza Juris Doctor Candidate, May 2009 University of Michigan Law School On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Amy Cocuzza wrote: > I'm with Ron  I always liked the two couple version better. The one couple > version was a little too pat for my taste. I saw the first couple as being > older, anyway (not "old," mind you, just older). I envision the second > couple being around the same age as whoever it is that the first couple is > searching for. > Amy L. Cocuzza > Juris Doctor Candidate, May 2009 > University of Michigan Law School > > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, wrote: > >> >> Making them two different couples somewhat...randomizes it, weakens it, >> for me. << >> >> Making it one couple, to me, makes it a little too "Hollywood happy >> ending," and totally uncharacteristic of a Richard Shindell song. >> >> Not to mention being totally unlikely and unbelievable in a city of 7hbz >> (that's hundred billion zillion) people. >> >> RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:13:27 -0400 From: "Pete Jameson" Subject: [RS] Shindell the Mystic Mahatma, Have you ever heard Richard's story about Dar telling him that you can't turn the other cheek OR take it on the chin? Apparently, their conversation took place during the Cry, Cry, Cry tour. Many of you will recall that Dar covered NORA on her Christians & Pagans EP. If you listen to the original version of NORA, he sang: "And Nora, it was no sin They could turn the other cheek OR take it on the chin But Nora, it was no sin" However, if you search the lyrics on the RS website, you'll find that the song NORA is omitted from the Sparrow's Point song listing, but it appears on the Courier list. "And Nora, it was no sin They could turn the other cheek AND take it on the chin But Nora, it was no sin" So, it would appear that Mr. Shindell took his friend's advice and changed the lyric in keeping with his fastidious nature. While I don't think any of us would label his editing a "cop out", it does show a willingness to "get it right". I don't think the omission of G-D damn from Kenworth is a cop out at all. I think it's borne of sensitivity to Christianity. Let's not forget Richard's career-long interest in all things spiritual. Finally, if you listen to THE BALLAD OF MARY MAGDALEN, you'll hear these words: "A love like this will come but once This I do believe And Ill not see his like again As I live and breath AND I'M SORRY IF I MIGHT OFFEND But I will never see How the tenderness I shared with him Became a heresy" Ron, I don't know how or by whom you were raised. My Dad is from Boston (where he was strongly influenced by the Christian Brothers - he was shipped off to St. John's Prep at 14) and he taught me to be respectful to G-D, elders, parents, teachers, and people of different ethnicities and cultures. And I imagine Richard's father imparted similar mores to him. So, I'm sorry if I offended your atheistic sensibilities. I respect your right to that belief. And I don't know with any certainty that there is a "Maker" (a great Daniel Lanois song, btw, is "The Maker"). I will wish you a peaceful and productive weekend with these Thomas Merton sentiments: MY LORD GOD, I have no idea where I am going. I do not see the road ahead of me. I cannot know for certain where it will end. Nor do I really know myself, and the fact that I think that I am following your will does not mean that I am actually doing so. But I believe that the desire to please you does in fact please you. And I hope I have that desire in all that I am doing. I hope that I will never do anything apart from that desire. And I know that if I do this you will lead me by the right road though I may know nothing about it. Therefore will I trust you always though I may seem to be lost and in the shadow of death. I will not fear, for you are ever with me, and you will never leave me to face my perils alone. - - Thomas Merton, "Thoughts in Solitude" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:24:02 -0400 From: Carol Love Subject: Re: [RS] language On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:48 PM, wrote: > >>>>>OK, please understand that this is coming from someone who wouldn't > believe in a, shall we say, "higher authority" if (to steal a line from > author A.J. Jacobs)<<<< > .......I thought you were stealing that line from the Hebrew National hot dog commercial. Here's where I am with faith, I think Jesus was a good prophet, with an important message about how to live your life. HOWEVER, I'm just not into his "Fan Club". However, I DO think respect should be shown to other's beliefs, whether they are shared or not. For instance, I find it offensive that rappers wear crosses as "bling bling" and I found it offensive when Madonna put the Hindu dot on her forehead. It's someone's RELIGION not a fashion statement. I think RS changing up Kenwood in a church setting just underscores that he is in tune with all things spiritual. When I said I was in suspense about whether he's do it in the house show -- I meant just what I said, "Will he, or won't he??" I had no personal feelings on the matter. The f-bomb is not blasphemous, so that's a whole different matter. CL > I was to walk out at night and saw that the stars had magically rearranged > themselves into the word "God." But I think that changing the lyric in > "Kenworth" is a cop-out. The song is the song is the song, and should stay > the song. I more respected Antje Duvekot when she sang her song "Pearls" in > front of an audience that included a bunch of 12-year olds, and didn't > change the song's F-bomb to, um, "gosh darn." And you know what? No one > died from it. > > RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:31:06 -0400 From: "John Fix 3rd" Subject: [RS] last fare of the day.... Interesting how this song has cropped back up again, but since it's one of my favorites I'm happy to see the discussion. I'm in the group that believes there are two different couples, even though I harbor no hard feelings towards those who think otherwise. :) The first couple lives in New Jersey, as is evidenced by the travel across the George Washington Bridge (truckers travelling south on 95). They are exhausted after a fruitless day searching for a loved one (I assume a son or daughter that worked at WTC) and just take a random taxi cab to get home. It's very unlikely that the second couple lives in New Jersey since they wouldn't bring a newborn home from the hospital in a random cab. It would not be unusual for a city dwelling couple to take a cab back to their apartment, but someone from across the GW bridge would either drive their own car into the city to bring home their child, arrange for a car service (limo), or call a cab company to request a taxi. Waiting outside hoping to grab a cab that will take you to New Jersey (especially with the threat of rain) does not sound like something a couple with a newborn would do. I assume the first couple is older, likely 50's to 60's, while the second couple is young, amazed at the new life they have created, bubbling with life. The song is almost a "circle of life" tale, almost like looking at a forest after a fire. There are older trees that survived the fire, and there are new saplings growing up through the ashes. The first couple is the older tree, the second couple is the young sapling. They are connected, same forest, same fire has touched their lives, but they are still different. But just my two (or ten) cents. John - ---- "We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers" Carl Sagan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:27:42 -0400 From: "Beth DeSombre" Subject: [RS] switching from digest to non- Ron writes: >All depends on whether you orignally signed up for the digest version or >the single-post "real time" version. Instructions on how to switch from >one to the other are in the list info doc, available here: > >http://www.smoe.org/lists/shindell-list.info Actually, I've been sitting on that same question for years, having somehow gotten subscribed to the digest from the beginning and preferring single messages. but the link Ron posted doesn't actually tell you how to change, short of unsubscribing and resubscribing a different way. I've been wary to try that, because I first subscribed when the system was having some issues, and it took me ages to get the subscription to happen; I'm afeard that if I unsubscribe I'll never be able to get back. But perhaps I'll take my chances anyway, unless someone can suggest a different way to switch. And if you never hear from me again, send out the search dogs . . . Beth Beth DeSombre www.bethdesombre.com ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V10 #91 ***********************************