From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V9 #224 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, April 29 2008 Volume 09 : Number 224 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Richard has a blog ;) ["Vanessa Wills" ] [RS] Re: Richard has a blog [Georgette deFriesse ] Re: [RS] Re: Richard has a blog ["Vanessa Wills" ] [RS] tour schedule is up ["Vanessa Wills" ] [RS] latest RS newsletter ["Vanessa Wills" ] Re: [RS] latest RS newsletter [Janet Cinelli ] Re: [RS] latest RS newsletter ["Vanessa Wills" ] Re: [RS] latest RS newsletter [rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] latest RS newsletter [Janet Cinelli ] [RS] Busking [Peter Booth ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:44:35 -0400 From: "Vanessa Wills" Subject: Re: [RS] Richard has a blog ;) Thanks for sending out the link! Is anyone surprised that Richard's prose is some of the most beautiful out there? What a joy to read. Doesn't hurt that he has a wealth of interesting things to say, either. - --V On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Reinhard Liess wrote: > So Richard has created a blog 5 days ago and nobody noticed? Until now :D > > http://shindellblog.blogspot.com/ > > (And I created a lj-feed for us livejournal users @ > http://syndicated.livejournal.com/richardshindell/profile). > > Happy reading, > > --Reinhard > - -- "True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring." - --Martin Luther King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:44:04 -0400 From: Georgette deFriesse Subject: [RS] Re: Richard has a blog > "Reinhard Liess" wrote: > > So Richard has created a blog 5 days ago and nobody noticed? Until now :D > Alas, it doesn't allow commenting unless you're registered. I'm very curious about *why* the government is in conflict with El Campo. Georgette ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:07:25 -0400 From: "Vanessa Wills" Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Richard has a blog It's a simple thing to sign up, though. (If you have a Gmail account, you're already in.) - --V On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Georgette deFriesse wrote: > "Reinhard Liess" wrote: > > > > So Richard has created a blog 5 days ago and nobody noticed? Until now > > :D > > > > > > Alas, it doesn't allow commenting unless you're registered. > > I'm very curious about *why* the government is in conflict with El Campo. > > > Georgette > - -- "True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring." - --Martin Luther King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:12:17 -0400 From: "Vanessa Wills" Subject: [RS] tour schedule is up There are new dates listed for the summer and fall up on Richard's site! I may have to take a trip from Pittsburgh out to Boston, at this rate. Last tour there weren't any dates in my neck of the woods, either! Hopefully something closer to me gets announced. ::hopes:: - --V - -- "True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring." - --Martin Luther King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:04:39 -0400 From: "Vanessa Wills" Subject: [RS] latest RS newsletter Has everyone seen this yet? http://richardshindell.com/index.php?page=shop Level X made me LOL, but I think it is a nifty idea overall. I wonder, "guest list (for 2) at any show for one year" must mean any ONE show that year? Or does it mean any *AND ALL* shows? Because if it means "any and all," I could see Level IV getting me and a few others here quite a bargain on our RS concert costs in the long run!! (Please no one ask me what I have spent on going to RS shows some years. Oy.) - --Vanessa - -- "True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring." - --Martin Luther King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:38:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: Re: [RS] latest RS newsletter - --- Vanessa Wills wrote: > Has everyone seen this yet? > http://richardshindell.com/index.php?page=shop > > Level X made me LOL, but I think it is a nifty idea > overall. I wonder, > "guest list (for 2) at any show for one year" must > mean any ONE show that > year? Or does it mean any *AND ALL* shows? Honestly, that's how I took it but I have a feeling it's only good for ONE show in the year. Otherwise, I think he could lose some serious money. Janet ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:06:01 -0400 From: "Vanessa Wills" Subject: Re: [RS] latest RS newsletter I suspect you're right, Janet. My thoughts are the same: the formulation seems to suggest any and all but I imagine it must mean any one show. I like the idea of pre-ordering the CD to help subsidize its production. (Heck, I would offer to personally lick the envelopes myself if I thought it would get a new CD pressed and mailed out any faster! hehe) I'm certainly willing to take it on faith that it'll be more than worth the money. - --V On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Janet Cinelli wrote: > --- Vanessa Wills wrote: > > Has everyone seen this yet? > > http://richardshindell.com/index.php?page=shop > > > > Level X made me LOL, but I think it is a nifty idea > > overall. I wonder, > > "guest list (for 2) at any show for one year" must > > mean any ONE show that > > year? Or does it mean any *AND ALL* shows? > > Honestly, that's how I took it but I have a feeling > it's only good for ONE show in the year. Otherwise, I > think he could lose some serious money. > Janet > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > - -- "True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring." - --Martin Luther King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:09:03 -0400 From: rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] latest RS newsletter I like the $500 package. First, hopefully it would mean that he'd have to come to San Diego, and second, it would be a huge honor to show him how to play Richard Shindell songs. ;-) RG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:08:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: Re: [RS] latest RS newsletter News sure seems to be spreading fast! Check out this website: http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/04/is-the-internet.html I hope the link works! Janet ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:59:19 -0400 From: Peter Booth Subject: [RS] Busking I just read Richard's blog and I couldn't figure out how to sign in to comment. It looks to me like it's locked up so people can only read but not respond. (which makes sense because I imagine he doesn't want it clogged up with comments from every passerby.) So, since I can't figure out how to respond there, I'll drop my thoughts on everyone here: I think he's wrong. (This isn't the first time I've disagreed with Richard; I told him that I thought there was one couple in LFOTD at a concert once and he told me that while I was wrong, he wouldn't hold that against me. I've since decided that he's right. Not because he wrote the song, but because the song works better that way. But I digress.) The blog entry he wrote about the current state of the music business strikes me as an artist rationalizing a situation he can't control. Online music sharing is quite literally out-of-control. It can't be controlled and the main 'rule breakers' (teens) don't even realize they're breaking the rules. I teach in a high school and whenever students talk about sharing music with each other, I ask them if they are aware that they are breaking the law (which I'm not really sure about because it seems like the law changes on this) or at the very least creating bad karma for themselves because legal or not, they're ripping off the artist. They honestly don't understand what I'm talking about. "But everyone does it. It's no big deal." And while I agree that it's not a huge deal to rip off a song from U2 who have 80 bazillion dollars (and I recognize the logical discrepancy here) I do think it's a big deal to 'share' (read: steal) music from artists who are not individual multi-national corporations. Richard can SAY that it's totally fine to download his entire catalogue from Limewire (or wherever), but the bottom line is that if you do that you're taking the final product of years and years of work and he gets nothing for it. I think the analogy that he makes early in the blog entry about walking into a lawnmower dealer and taking a lawnmower is apt. Stealing is stealing and just because art (be it musical, visual, whatever) is now moving into the digital age where things are hard to nail down, that doesn't mean that artists should be expected to just muddle along, create their art and hope that people are nice enough to throw them some money now and then. So, while I think that Richard is making a smart move financially to appeal directly to his audience (see Radiohead) -- an audience that I think tends to be made up of people who are older, have enough money to pay for music and have enough of a sense of right and wrong to pay for their art -- I think that as an artist he should not need to be saying things like (not a direct quote but the gist is here) "I'm fine with you getting my music off Limewire. Go right ahead. Feel free to drop a few coins in my online guitar case, but I don't want you to feel guilty." In my opinion people should feel guilty for ripping artists off and artists shouldn't let them off the hook. OK, diatribe over. I'm going to (unwisely) not re-read this before I hit "Send" because the kids have to get up to bed. Peace y'all. Peter ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V9 #224 ***********************************