From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V9 #145 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Monday, August 20 2007 Volume 09 : Number 145 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] where in the world is Dar Williams [sdgold60@optonline.net] [RS] Not So Fast Folk [rockinrond@aol.com] Re: [RS] Not So Fast Folk ["kunigunda" ] Re: [RS] where in the world is Dar Williams ["kunigunda" Subject: Re: [RS] Not So Fast Folk Yep, there's contemporary folk and traditional folk, but when you say folk most people think of traditional folk and keep walking. The category Americana works for some but not RS et al. Contemporary Singer Songwriter is too broad and can encompass pop, jazz and rock. So what to do? Actually, I think SOD belongs in the folk category. Carrie in KC > I think even Richard would probably prefer "contemporary > singer-songwriter" than anything with the word "folk" in it.?? And I would > have to agree to his choice. > > RonD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:16:46 -0500 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: [RS] where in the world is Dar Williams Here's wishing Richard was just half that productive!! Carrie in KC > Just for some information. Dar has been touring extensively in the US and > Europe. She made two trips to the UK and played over 200 dates last year. > Almost 1/2 of them were benefits for some cause of another. Since C3, Dar > worked with solar energy causes, raised money for adolescents and arts > programs, womens causes, peace coalitions. Her Echos initiatives was > hosted in > at least 15 cities across the country. Dar participated in the Joni > Mitchell > tribute singing Rainy Night House, appeared with the NYC Gay Mens Choir > singing "Somewhere over the Rainbow", and appeared on the Bill of two > nights > of Grateful Dead Music singing with her old friend Dan Zanes on "ripple". > Dar > is participating with Judy Collins and Nanci Griffith on a number of > shows. > Dar toured with Mary Chapin Carpenter, Shawn Colvin and Patty Griffin on a > "in > the round". She has written two young adult novels and actually has been > scrawling unpublished screenplays and novels...Plus she got married and is > raising a three year old son.... she has slowed down a bit this year, just > changed managers again and will be putting out a DVD...and is writing new > songs.......I know.... because i probably see her most..... just last > weekend > was the last time and ofcourse with friends John Gorka and Nerissa Nields > and > Gandalf Murphy at Falcon Ridge....sharon G > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/961 - Release Date: 8/19/2007 > 7:27 AM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:26:02 -0600 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?john_cl=E9irigh?= Subject: Re: [RS] Not So Fast Folk rockinrond@aol.com wrote: >>Actually, Dar isn't the only former Cry3 member who has been struggling to shake the "folk yoke" label. In my 1999 interview with Lucika for the cover story in Music Matters Review (issue 11) she said: "Folk is purely a marketing category used by music retailers.? I'd be perfectly happy to be removed from the folk bins in a music store.? The word just doesn't have any meaning to me anymore." I think even Richard would probably prefer "contemporary singer-songwriter" than anything with the word "folk" in it. And I would have to agree to his choice.<< It certainly makes marketing tough to not use the Folk label, but I think that most, if not all, English-speaking contemporary singer songwriters* don't sing folk music. I have struggled with this distinction for years. Some people want a one-word answer to the question: what kind of music do you play? Not using "folk" in response almost always creates a lengthy discussion and that simply doesn't work well in certain (marketing or Marketing) situations. There's a multitude of splinter-genres within what was so easily described as Folk 40 years ago. The same could be said for Rock, Jazz and Orchestral music as well. Music is as diverse as they people who make it. I think that's a good thing. But if you're concerned about ticket or music sales, it matters what you call it, even if you're addressing only one person. john *I think Richard actually does write some folk songs and furthermore, S.O.D. certainly seems to be intentionally a folk record -- and not just because the songs are covers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:45:41 -0600 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?john_cl=E9irigh?= Subject: Re: [RS] Not So Fast Folk kunigunda wrote: >>Yep, there's contemporary folk and traditional folk, but when you say folk most people think of traditional folk and keep walking. The category Americana works for some but not RS et al. Contemporary Singer Songwriter is too broad and can encompass pop, jazz and rock. So what to do? Actually, I think SOD belongs in the folk category.<< Carrie, I should have read my whole inbox before replying. ;-) When I think *folk music*, I think more along the lines of indigenous dance tunes, but there are also plenty of songs that I can comfortably call folk music as well. Music of the common folk, whether sung or instrumental. Not consulting Webster here, just my personal distinction. Indeed, "what to do?" john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:17:53 -0400 From: richard rosenbloom Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V9 #144 Ron- This is really what my question "does anyone know where Dar is?" was about. Wheres is her head at. It was always my impression that she was the one who had picked up her toys and gone home. Still, I'd rather see Lucy w/ Richard than any other combination of the 3. "If that chick don't wanna know, forget her!" >>> He said he performs with Lucy a lot, but probably won't be playing with Dar again, and left it at that << >>> >>> I always figured it might have something to do with what -- in my >>> opinion -- might be a desire on Dar's part to throw off the "folk >>> yoke," more so than any problem she and Richard may (or may not) have >>> with each other. >>> >>> Still and all, I would love to hear the three of them work together >>> again, as "Cry Cry Cry" is one of my all-time favorite CDs, and was >>> responsible for turning me on to some great artists, most notably David >>> Wilcox, whose version of "The Kid" was the only one I could find when >>> looking for the original versions of the songs on the CD. >>> >>> RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:21:42 -0400 From: "Gregory Dennis" Subject: [RS] Re: Good Year for the Roses I also once heard Richard do "A Good Year for the Roses," at a show a few years back at McCabe's, in Santa Monica. He does a great job on it, mixing just enough of the pathos with a touch of whimsy. Glad to hear it's occasionally back in his repertoire. I was sorry it wasn't on the otherwise wonderful "South of Delia." Very much agree about Dar resting on her laurels. She needs to get back on stage with Richard and Lucy and get her chops back. BTW, Lucy's new album is quite good, IMO. - -- Greg - ----- Original Message ----- From: "pete jameson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 1:48 PM > My impression is that Richard & Lucy remain close to this day. When I saw > Cry Cry Cry in Pittsburgh in '99, I believe, I felt that Lucy was the > star. > In fact, Lucy solo doesn't stir me the way Dar or, of course, Richard do. > But that night I couldn't help but feel that Lucy's vocals were the anchor > to the thing, maybe Richard's guitar work and harmony the sails, and Dar's > offerings more the work of the deckhands. I don't mean to say that there > weren't moments where the three of them rose in unison to create a whole > that probably will not be achieved again. > > I got to hear Richard & Lucy sing "The Kid" at Falcon Ridge, and it was > extraordinary. There were a lot of great moments this year (Richard > covering > "A Good Year for the Roses", Jason Spooner Trio covering "It Takes a Lot > to > Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry", Arlo's reading of "St. James Infirmary", > and many others). > > Also, I know that Patty Larkin, Cheryl Wheeler, Cliff Eberhardt, and Gorka > toured at about the same time (or maybe just after Cry3 ended). I also > remember a World Cafi interview in which the trio expressed disappointment > that they couldn't find a good match for some of their favourite writers, > and Richard mentioned John. > > I resolutely believe that Richard is in a class unto himself, not superior > to some other living auteurs, just operating on a different plane. Lucy > seems to be inspired by motherhood. Dar? She seems like she's resting on > her > laurels a bit, though I loved her interpretation of "Everybody Knows This > is > Nowhere". Great lesser-heard Neil song that got new wings from Dar & > Marshall Crenshaw's reading. "Comfortably Numb"? Shouldn't have gone > there, > I'm afraid. > > Pete in PA > > "Life is a masquerade" -- Lori McKenna ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V9 #145 ***********************************