From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V9 #76 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, May 4 2007 Volume 09 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] More thoughts on SOD [rockinrond@aol.com] Re: [RS] More thoughts on SOD ["kunigunda" ] Re: [RS] More thoughts on SOD [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] A little bit Country. [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Girl from the North Country ["Gene Frey" ] Re: [RS] A little bit Country. ["kunigunda" ] Re: [RS] A little bit Country. [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] A little bit Country. [Sandy Smith ] Re: [RS] A little bit Country. [Adam Plunkett ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 08:41:05 -0400 From: rockinrond@aol.com Subject: [RS] More thoughts on SOD Not an album I'm likely to grab for either when I want to listen to RS. And I realize, of course, that Richard put a great deal of thought and time into this recording, much the way things were done with CRY CRY CRY. I appreciate his efforts, to be sure, but I do look forward to how he strives to top Vuelta, a minor masterpiece in my view. As for writer's block---I don't think this has ever been a problem with him. However, unlike other songwriters, RS hones and hones his words until they hit the right sound in his ear--and I'm talking about the words alone here, never mind the melodies. Very Dylanesque. He is a true craftsman and this approach to songwriting takes quite a bit of time, as we on this list are painfully aware. There's little doubt he fancies himself a wordsmith and loves to play with the language. Actually, I would love to read any poetry he's written. Wonder if it exists. Anyone know? RonD ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:58:52 -0500 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: [RS] More thoughts on SOD Has anyone googled -south of delia? I was really surprised to see so many links....3 pages at least....with references to R's new cd, radio station play lists, etc. I've been thinking about the title of the cd. Is that fenced in piece of nothing south of Delia a graveyard? I think so. Interesting choice. carrie in kc I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 15:40:44 -0400 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] More thoughts on SOD >> I was really surprised to see so many links << What I'm surprised about is the slow traffic on this list, particularly now that there's a new record to discuss. In fact, overall traffic on MOST lists has generally petered out over the last few years. Last weekend I spent some time going through the archives circa 2000-2002, and it was not rare to see single days with over 40 posts, and occasional days with over 60. Now it's rare that we see that many in an entire month. It saddens me a little. RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 16:17:15 -0400 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: [RS] A little bit Country. Here's a project for you all. I have a new friend who's never really given folk music a chance, but who really likes country music. She likes songs about Texas and most things by Willie. ;-) I'm trying to convince her that folk and country are not worlds apart, and want to put together a CD of "country-ish" -- either in lyrics or arrangement -- songs by folkies that would let me introduce her to artists like Richard, Dar, Lucy, Dave/Tracy, Kris, etc. Then I'll hit her with the harder stuff. Some will be easy. Dave Carter's "Hey Conductor" and Kris Delmhorst's "Mean Old Wind" immediately come to mind. Not sure where to go with Richard. On the surface, "Kenworth" might work, but I think I'm leaning more to "TV Light." "Shades of Gray" is there arrangement-wise, sorta, but I'd rather use an RS original. Anyway, I'm looking to y'all for some opinions and suggestions, not just on the Richard song, but on anything else that could help me get her started. The more pedal steel, the better. ;-) RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 17:36:50 -0400 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Girl from the North Country Hey you guys, Ron, we're here to help. First, let me elbow in before Jim Colbert to bring up Red Molly, who may actually be country enough for your friend, but carry the folk banner nonetheless. Bands like Crooked Still and Wayfaring Strangers certainly have the trappings of country with a folk mentality, so that might be a way to go. I can't see how a country fan wouldn't like Cheryl Wheeler's 'When Fall Comes to New England.' Patty Griffin has actually gotten some play on CMT with her video for 'Chief,' but 'Rain,' 'Making Pies' and 'Long Ride Home' would also work. Here are just a couple. I'll look a bit more over the weekend: 'Anna' by Antje Duvekot 'How it Comes to This' by Beth Amsel 'Oughta Be a Highway' by Darryl Purpose 'Northbound 35' by Jeffrey Foucault 'Wasn't Born to Follow' by Tracy Grammer Gene F. _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 17:19:09 -0500 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: [RS] A little bit Country. RG - Is she young? old? Is Willie the only singer she mentioned? I'm wondering if her favorite cd of his is Stardust?. If so, those songs are old standards and it's gonna be a tough task to convert her. However, if she likes some of his upbeat stuff and other contemporary country singers then there is hope. What else does she like? "Songs about Texas" scares me. There are alot of contempory country singers that do "folk" type songs that you could use, as well as folk singers doing country type stuff. Give us more clues. I went from Dionne Warwick to Neil Diamond to the Beatles to Peter Paul and Mary to Linda Ronstadt to Vince Gill to Tracy Chapman to Trisha Yearwood to Greg Brown to Emmy Lou to Richard et al. Pretty much been there heard that. Pls advise. Will start digging around for good stuff. carrie in kc. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: [RS] A little bit Country. > Here's a project for you all. I have a new friend who's never really > given folk music a chance, but who really likes country music. She likes > songs about Texas and most things by Willie. ;-) I'm trying to convince > her that folk and country are not worlds apart, and want to put together a > CD of "country-ish" -- either in lyrics or arrangement -- songs by folkies > that would let me introduce her to artists like Richard, Dar, Lucy, > Dave/Tracy, Kris, etc. > > Then I'll hit her with the harder stuff. > > Some will be easy. Dave Carter's "Hey Conductor" and Kris Delmhorst's > "Mean Old Wind" immediately come to mind. > > Not sure where to go with Richard. On the surface, "Kenworth" might work, > but I think I'm leaning more to "TV Light." "Shades of Gray" is there > arrangement-wise, sorta, but I'd rather use an RS original. > > Anyway, I'm looking to y'all for some opinions and suggestions, not just > on the Richard song, but on anything else that could help me get her > started. > > The more pedal steel, the better. ;-) > > RG > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.4/789 - Release Date: 5/4/2007 > 5:49 PM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 19:14:15 -0400 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] A little bit Country. Well, the "songs about Texas and most things by Willie" was an inside joke reference to Jim Henry's song "Last Call," which uses that phrase. She's mostly into more current country stuff . . . Faith Hill, Sara Evans, Kenny Chesney, Alan Jackson, etc. The fact that she's not a Toby Keith fan might almost make me believe in god. I'm really looking for contemporary folkies that have done country-sounding or country-themed songs. So, for example, Gene's suggestions about Cheryl Wheeler's "When Fall Comes to New England," in my opinion, isn't really going to resonate sonically or theme-wise with a gal from San Antonio, I don't think. I think some of Lori McKenna's stuff might work, since her Boston voice is at least a TWANGY Boston voice, and my friend is familiar with (and likes) the Lori songs that Faith has done. Hope that helps! Thanks!! RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 17:54:18 -0700 From: Sandy Smith Subject: Re: [RS] A little bit Country. I always thought Townes Van Zandt did a good job of straddling the lines between country, folk, and delta blues. "Pancho and Lefty," "Tecumseh Valley," and "Our Mother the Mountain" are more in the folk vein. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 20:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] A little bit Country. Here's is my two cents: Country and folk have many things in common and many very good "folkies" come outta that area probably due to where country music has gone in the last decade. Iris Dement is a great songwriter who would definitely fit. Texans Slaid Cleeves and Jimmy LaFave (especially his last disc) would work well. Jimmie Dale GIlmore is nice mix of originals and classic country. Pierce Pettis is a great songwriter from the South. And some artists like Greg Brown (Slant 6 Mind, Further In), Kelly Joe Phelps (Slingshot Professionals) and Jeffrey Foucalt (Ghost Repeater) have made good country-esque albums. But the best bet in my opinion is Tim O'Brien. A good songwriter and one of the best interpretors of trad. country as well. I think you are looking for contemporaries but you could make the point that folkies and country is similar with Dylan's Nashville Skyline or some Arlo Guthrie or Buffy St-Marie. They both made numerous albums with a country sound in they heydays. Of course, then there are the country bands that get labeled folk. I think this is some of the best music you will find anywhere. Groups like the Red Stick Ramblers, Uncle Earl, Old Crow Medecine Show, and the Mammals are very good. - --- Rongrittz@aol.com wrote: > Here's a project for you all. I have a new friend > who's never really given folk music a chance, but > who really likes country music. She likes songs > about Texas and most things by Willie. ;-) I'm > trying to convince her that folk and country are not > worlds apart, and want to put together a CD of > "country-ish" -- either in lyrics or arrangement -- > songs by folkies that would let me introduce her to > artists like Richard, Dar, Lucy, Dave/Tracy, Kris, > etc. > > Then I'll hit her with the harder stuff. > > Some will be easy. Dave Carter's "Hey Conductor" > and Kris Delmhorst's "Mean Old Wind" immediately > come to mind. > > Not sure where to go with Richard. On the surface, > "Kenworth" might work, but I think I'm leaning more > to "TV Light." "Shades of Gray" is there > arrangement-wise, sorta, but I'd rather use an RS > original. > > Anyway, I'm looking to y'all for some opinions and > suggestions, not just on the Richard song, but on > anything else that could help me get her started. > > The more pedal steel, the better. ;-) > > RG Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V9 #76 **********************************