From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V8 #73 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, May 9 2006 Volume 08 : Number 073 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V8 #72 ["Michael and Linda Marmer" ] Re: [RS] cold missouri waters [Adam Plunkett ] [RS] my post from March '99 ["Norman Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:34:56 -0400 From: "Michael and Linda Marmer" Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V8 #72 Since Cold Missouri Water was mentioned, I thought I would mention that I finished reading a book about the subject of that song, the fire and the men who worked the fire. The title of the book is mentioned in the liner notes of the Cry Cry Cry CD, as it is "Young Men and Fire" by Norman MaClean, who also wrote a book called "A River Runs Through It". Very Interesting book, as two of the dead, did survive the night and later died in the hospital the next day. There were 16 on the plane to jump down to the fire, as one did not, due to illness. So 15 jumped, as they met anther working the fire by himself, so then it was 16 again. They landed on the ground by 3:30 PM and where dead, sadly, by 6 PM. Alot of interesting facts about how this all came about and then later in the 1980's, as MaClean when to search on how the fire got to be so big, wind had funneled it and how the men reacted, as yes, they did think that Dodge was crazy for asking them to do what he did. What Dodge had done was down before by American Indians but not very well known. Bascially, the heat and the smoke killed the Men, before they got burned by the fire. The book can be purchased on Amazon.Com and it is very inexpensive. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:04:56 -0400 From: Adam Plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V8 #72 I second Mike's reccomendation of that book. Very good read. Speaking of the song, the man who wrote it (James Keelaghan who I am a big fan of and who put on a great show recently here in Boston), re-recorded the song on an album called "Then Again". It is re-recordings of 10 of some of his more known songs. Most of the songs he re-recorded are with far less production but he mentions in the liner notes that his second take on the CMW was influenced by the version Cry Cry Cry did. I will never forget the first time I heard the song. I was at the Boston Folk Festival and was going to a stage in a classroom where Richard was in a workshop. I got there early and heard the last few songs by James Keelaghan including Cold Missouri Waters. It's such a great song. If you like the hard-labor-tragedy song style, he has written a few great ones besides CMW including one called Hillcrest Mine which has been running through my head all day. On Monday, May 08, 2006, at 02:41PM, Michael and Linda Marmer wrote: >Since Cold Missouri Water was mentioned, I thought I would mention that I >finished reading a book about the subject of that song, the fire and the men >who worked the fire. > >The title of the book is mentioned in the liner notes of the Cry Cry Cry CD, >as it is "Young Men and Fire" by Norman MaClean, who also wrote a book >called "A River Runs Through It". > >Very Interesting book, as two of the dead, did survive the night and later >died in the hospital the next day. > >There were 16 on the plane to jump down to the fire, as one did not, due to >illness. So 15 jumped, as they met anther working the fire by himself, so >then it was 16 again. They landed on the ground by 3:30 PM and where dead, >sadly, by 6 PM. > >Alot of interesting facts about how this all came about and then later in >the 1980's, as MaClean when to search on how the fire got to be so big, wind >had funneled it and how the men reacted, as yes, they did think that Dodge >was crazy for asking them to do what he did. > >What Dodge had done was down before by American Indians but not very well >known. > >Bascially, the heat and the smoke killed the Men, before they got burned by >the fire. > >The book can be purchased on Amazon.Com and it is very inexpensive. > >Mike Marmer >Germantown, MD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:39:01 -0400 From: "Norman Johnson" Subject: [RS] cold missouri waters Michael wrote: >> Since Cold Missouri Water was mentioned, I thought I would mention that I finished reading a book about the subject of that song, the fire and the men who worked the fire. The title of the book is mentioned in the liner notes of the Cry Cry Cry CD, as it is "Young Men and Fire" by Norman MaClean, who also wrote a book called "A River Runs Through It". << I third the recommendation of _Young Men and Fire_. I read it shortly after hearing Cold Missouri Waters. I asked Richard at one of the Cry3 shows whether that song would ever be made into a movie. He said that Sherman Alexie (of Smoke Signals fame) was working on it -- as far as I know, that never came to pass. Now who should play Dodge? Norman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:30:44 -0400 From: Adam Plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] cold missouri waters It's too bad Sherman Alexie never was able to make this film. He is not just a good filmmaker but one of my favorite authors. He is a great novelist, short story writer, and poet. His writing makes me think he would have been able to capture the story well. Wasn't Kevin Costner attached to the project at some point? On Monday, May 08, 2006, at 05:33PM, Norman Johnson wrote: >I third the recommendation of _Young Men and Fire_. I read it shortly after >hearing Cold Missouri Waters. I asked Richard at one of the Cry3 shows >whether that song would ever be made into a movie. He said that Sherman >Alexie (of Smoke Signals fame) was working on it -- as far as I know, that >never came to pass. > >Now who should play Dodge? > >Norman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:11:09 -0400 From: "Norman Johnson" Subject: [RS] my post from March '99 Here's my post from March '99... no mention of Costner. Norman After the New Year's show at the Calvin, I spoke with Richard and told him how much I liked the song and the book and asked him whether he knew of any movies based upon YM&F. He said "Funny you should mention that.." and proceeded to tell me that Sherman Alexie (who wrote Smoke Signals) approached him after a CCC show and told him that he was writing the screenplay for YM&F! While browsing in a bookstore a couple of days ago, I saw a magazine called Biblio: Exploring the world of books. The cover story of this issue (March 99) is on Sherman Alexie--so I bought it. Worth reading! On p. 28, it discusses the two screenplay adaptations he's working on---here's what it says about YM&F The second, for Warner Brothers, is inspired by Norman Maclean's _Young Men and Fire_ (1992), an award-winning book based upon the true story of a 1949 wildfire in mOntana that killed thirteen paratrooping firefighters. Alexie has expressed a desire to work on projects as Sherman Alexie the writer, not Sherman Alexie the American Indian writer--"everything I'm going to say is going to be directly influenced by my Indianness anyway"-and the Warner Brothers film satisfies that wish and goes farther. He was brought in "for both reasons: because I'm a goodscreenwriter but also because I bring something to the table--an Indian sensibility, which is not present in Hollywood'. And though Maclean's characters are white, some of them will be made into Indians in the movie, "Which is great," says Alexie, "When has anyone ever changed a white character to an Indian?". Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V8 #73 **********************************