From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V8 #25 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, February 11 2006 Volume 08 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] folk music [Roxylee ] Re: [RS] Gramophobia [Janet Cinelli ] [RS] cool beanz [Jim Colbert ] [RS] Getting hammered - on espresso ["Gene Frey" ] [RS] Re: Springsteen [John McDonnell ] Re: [RS] folk music ["kunigunda" ] Re: [RS] John Prine ["kunigunda" ] Re: [RS] Re: Springsteen [rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V8 #24 [John McDonnell ] Re: [RS] folk music ["kunigunda" ] Re: [RS] folk music ["kunigunda" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:56:39 -0500 From: Roxylee Subject: [RS] folk music John, I'm in total agreement with you . I watched the Grammys and thought the same thing when Springsteen was introduced as a folk singer. Singer /songwriters like Richard hardly ever get real recognition, which bothers me whenever I watch these award shows. Roxy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:46:51 -0800 (PST) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: Re: [RS] Gramophobia Chiming with Gene, Russ was a delight, very funny and he mentions this list with an offer we can't refuse! Here's the web site, you can listen to the concert, I'm not sure when RockinRon will have it avaiable (sorry I didn't get to say hi Ron!)http://www.lipodcast.com/acousticcafe I hope Russ makes it back to Long Island again soon, even if I did get him lost with my confusing directions! As for the Grammys, I saw Sheryl Crow last week and she said she had a song nominated in the country category! Even she seemed surprised by that. She put on a great concert despite having just gone through a break-up. I'm happy that John Prine won, it must be some album to beat the Boss. I guess I should buy it. Janet Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:52:35 -0500 From: Jim Colbert Subject: [RS] cool beanz >>> Besides, none of us really care about the crass commercialism and >>> self-serving spectacle that is the Grammy Awards anyway. Do we? << > > Well, certainly not those of us who chose to spend Wednesday night > watching > not the Grammys or American Idol but, instead, were treated to a > terrific > night of music at Cool Beanz in St. James, NY. Lots of geat openers in > the > open mic, including long-time favorites James O'Malley and Martha > Trachtenberg and Tom Griffin, plus a fun, totally enjoyable set from > Russ > Rentler. Russ, whose Shindell connection has been mentioned earlier, > played > acoustic guitar, dobro, bouzouki, autoharp, hammer dulcimer, harmonica > and > banjo, (did I miss anything?) and played them all very, very well. > Did he mention that he actually made the hammered dulcimer he plays? (: Sounds like a fun show! - -jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:08:04 -0500 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Getting hammered - on espresso Hey you guys, Jim, somewhere near Paternoville, queried: >>Did he mention that he actually made the hammered dulcimer he plays? << 'Deed he did. Russ opened by playing the hammered dulcimer, and encored on it as well. It had a very rich, warm sound, I thought, and I suppose it was the first time I'd ever seen one played live. Russ was a very engaging fellow on stage, and I thought his funniest bit was about the blind blues player who was playing on a street corner when a Volkswagen hit the curb. A hubcap flew off, wedged itself behind the strings of his guitar, and so was the dobro invented. Gene F. www.courthouseconcerts.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:48:25 -0500 From: John McDonnell Subject: [RS] Re: Springsteen Hi All, RG wrote: >>Just because Springsteen used to be the consummate rocker, does that mean that he should not be able to make a folk-"sounding" album from time to time, and be recognized for having done so? Or, is it once a rocker, always a rocker, no matter what the album actually sounds like?<< I often find categories a little reductive, but in this instance having Springsteen as the face of folk is somewhat misleading--like Michael Jordan playing baseball. He may do it, and do it better than most, but he's no baseball player. Phenomenal athlete? Yes, but not a baseball player. I wouldn't have any objection to his album being nominated in the folk category (I didn't see much of the show--was it??), but it seemed a little like celebrity fast track--you know, where actors/actresses all of a sudden are singers/performers. He hardly needs the publicity, the recognition or the money, so why not spread the wealth a little?? If not, why not then at least get someone who paid some dues in the genre? I realize there may be some advantage to having a name like his in a folk category, in that it may draw in some listeners/consumers who ordinarily wouldn't buy any folk music, but ultimately that is somewhat insulting to a rich musical tradition--that it needs some kind of celebrity endorsement. I don't usually watch the Grammy's, and could not care less about the "winners," (Milli Vanilli anyone??), but the committee should use their powers to do good, not evil. John McD. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:22:11 -0600 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: [RS] folk music > Singer /songwriters like Richard hardly ever get real recognition, which > bothers me whenever I watch these award shows. > Roxy Yeah, with the Grammys being the exception, I believe all other music awards are based on record sales. Unless you're selling alot of cds it doesn't matter how great a musician or songwriter you are; you won't get any recognition or awards. It looks like success, not talent, is the determinant. Carrie in KC - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.5/256 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:23:03 -0600 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: [RS] John Prine Quote from John Prine at the Grammys "I didn't expect to be up here. I showed up because I got nominated. All the other nominees are sitting at home in my record collection." - John Prine, who won for best contemporary folk album for "Fair & Square." Carrie in KC - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.5/256 - Release Date: 2/10/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:11:09 -0500 From: rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Springsteen Two things: it's not like Springsteen some folkie-come-lately; how long ago did he do the equally folkie "Nebraska" and "Ghost of Tom Joad" albums? And also, let's not forget that even Richard must respect the Boss's singer/songwriter sensibilities; he DID cover a Bruce song on "Courier." RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:38:32 -0500 From: John McDonnell Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V8 #24 Hi All, RG wrote: Two things: it's not like Springsteen some folkie-come-lately; how long ago did he do the equally folkie "Nebraska" and "Ghost of Tom Joad" albums? And also, let's not forget that even Richard must respect the Boss's singer/songwriter sensibilities; he DID cover a Bruce song on "Courier." Agreed. I think he's an excellent songwriter, but his body of work could hardly be called "folk," a few albums notwithstanding--almost everybody has been "unplugged" at some point in their careers. John McD. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:28:36 -0600 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: [RS] folk music I wanted to mention again Jeff Black, whose cd Tin Lily was one nominated by Folkwax as album of the year. I recently acquired it and I like it fairly well. It's more produced than I expected. For anyone interested; when listening I hear pieces of Marc Cohn, David Wilcox, Cat Stevens, and even bits of that folk singer Bruce Springstein. Carrie in KC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:37:13 -0600 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: [RS] folk music > bits of that folk singer Bruce Springstein. Whoops! that's Springsteen.....Dutch, not German, I guess! Carrie in KC ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V8 #25 **********************************