From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V8 #8 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, January 20 2006 Volume 08 : Number 008 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Big Muddy ["mlmarmer" ] [RS] Re: Art? [John McDonnell ] Re: [RS] Fleur-de-Lis [Chris Foxwell ] [RS] There Goes Mavis [Sally Green Heaven ] [RS] OT: Katrina benefit [Deb Woodell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:56:43 -0500 From: "mlmarmer" Subject: [RS] Big Muddy Not to get into a discussion about the pro and con of Bush and the Iraq War, but while in Maine, this past fall, in the local paper, there was a political cartoon of Bush leading troops across a river. One side of the river is a sign for Iraq and Bush is standing real tall in the river, while the three enlisted are sinking, barely above water. This really reminded me of the song by Pete Seager, that Richard did on his last CD. I am not sure if I spelled Pete's name right. If Ron has a way of posting this somewhere, I will scan it and sent it to him. Mike Marmer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:30:00 -0500 From: John McDonnell Subject: [RS] Re: Art? Hi All, Bart wrote: >> I remember going to MOMA (Museum of Modern Art) years ago and seeing a mattress with a large hole burned through it hanging on a wall. Art?<< Well, there seems to be a true absence of beauty in that installation, but perhaps it was just a new way to imagine the infinity of the void, or a way to examine a material ambiguity which would seek to unsettle certainty about material facts--mattresses should be horizontal, not vertical, and serve no purpose unless we are able to ......:) You get my drift. I have, however, been puzzled by certain RS songs, and if we're doing a "song of the week," I would propose "On a Sea of Fleur-de-Lis" next. I don't know if veteran listers have done this already--if so, I'd love to look in the archives for past posts on it--but I still have trouble figuring out this song, though I'm struck by its beauty, and perhaps that's enough. John McD. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:02:10 -0500 From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] Fleur-de-Lis On 1/19/06, John McDonnell wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have, however, been puzzled by certain RS songs, and if we're doing a > "song of the week," I would propose "On a Sea of Fleur-de-Lis" next. I > don't know if veteran listers have done this already--if so, I'd love to > look in the archives for past posts on it--but I still have trouble > figuring > out this song, though I'm struck by its beauty, and perhaps that's enough. There was quite an interesting debate on this song back in December '03, sparked by an analysis/intepretation that I posted. (Surely it had been done long before, with ensuing discussion, but that was the first "round" of discussion that I was around for.) I have all of those old e-mails; I could easily post a recap of the analysis and discussion, if anyone is interested. It seemed to go over very well with those who posted afterwards, with some interesting potential twists suggested by Christy and Smokey and some others. Since that discussion, I've come to think of "Fleur-de-Lis" as one of Richard's most beautiful songs, perhaps his most beautiful. (Dare I say...his best? ;-) Just kidding, I don't want to get into that issue...) - --Chris - -- "We were born in a dark age out of due time (for us). But there is this comfort: otherwise we should not know, or so much love, what we do love. I imagine the fish out of water is the only fish to have an inkling of water." - --J.R.R. Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:07:59 -0500 From: Sally Green Heaven Subject: [RS] There Goes Mavis Here are some thoughts about "There Goes Mavis": Guitar: I don't know a ton about guitars, but is this one played on a classical guitar? Or if not, is it written in the, what's it called, something-or-other style. Flamenco? It sounds different, anyway. Look for more edgy guitar analysis from me soon - I'm sure after this review Acoustic Guitar will try to recruit me as a columnist. First reaction: I heard it live, and liked it okay, but didn't understand it at all - RS gave a short, somewhat cryptic introduction that consisted of "I promised my daughter I would write an orange canary into a song." It was after repeated listenings that I started to think I understood what it was about, which is pretty much what others have said about freedom etc. Current impression: I think it was on a road trip in the car that I formed this particular impression, which is one of a scene that's created item by item, like I'm visualizing a painting in my mind. First, it's just a beach. Then, people building a sand castle appear. Then, a woman and her daughter with a canary in a cage. Final scene - the castle crumbles, the bird flies away. But it's very deliberate how each element of the painting is added, one by one - first, what it is, and then, what it's doing. What am I trying to say here? I guess that this is more of a moment in time, a snapshot that conveys a feeling, instead of a story. Overall theme: there's definitely some stuff about freedom in there but I think also impermanence - the impermanence of sand castles, pets, and by extension home, love, other people, life. Okay, that's all I have for right now. - --Sally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:02:20 -0800 (PST) From: Deb Woodell Subject: [RS] OT: Katrina benefit Hey folks, apologies for the late notice. My church, the Unitarian Universalist Church in Cherry Hill, is hosting a benefit concert for Katrina victims, presented by musicians from the Delaware River Folksong Fellowship. Please let me know how it is, because I actually already am committed to another benefit function the same day, but I still want to publicize it! Here are the details...Deb: Saturday, January 21 2:00 - 6:00 pm Donation= $10 Unitarian Universalist Church In Cherry Hill, 401 North Kings Highway, Cherry Hill, NJ. All monies will be donated to the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations and the Unitarian Universalist Committee Gulf Coast Relief Fund (UUA-UUSC) http://www.uua.org/news/2005/050831kartrina/donate.html This event is sponsored (in partnership with DRFF), with the Social Justice Committee of the Unitarian Universalist Church in Cherry Hill. This I have learned: Because we can, we must try to change the world -- fully, wisely, restlessly. -- Rudy Nemser == Life is such a changing art. -- Dar Williams == Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V8 #8 *********************************