From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V7 #267 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, November 9 2005 Volume 07 : Number 267 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] cover of You Stay Here? [Rabbi Lea Gavrieli ] Re: [RS] cover of You Stay Here? [Adam Plunkett ] [RS] Wisteria Confession [B Gallagher ] [RS] Re: Last Wisteria from me [John McDonnell ] Re: [RS] Re: Last Wisteria from me [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Re: Last Wisteria from me [Chris Foxwell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:01:51 -0500 From: Rabbi Lea Gavrieli Subject: [RS] cover of You Stay Here? Hi Everyone, Very much looking forward to seeing Richard & Lucy in Fairfield next weekend, (husband Richard surprised me with tix :-) ). Meanwhile, listening to WFUV yesterday AM around 10:15-ish and heard someone's cover of You Stay Here. Been a little out of the loop lately. Can anyone fill me in on who this was, and how they came to be doing this cover? Thanks! Lea G ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:25:35 -0500 From: Adam Plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] cover of You Stay Here? Lea, The only cover version I know is by Willy Porter, which is on his live album. On Nov 9, 2005, at 7:01 AM, Rabbi Lea Gavrieli wrote: > Hi Everyone, > Very much looking forward to seeing Richard & Lucy in Fairfield next > weekend, (husband Richard surprised me with tix :-) ). Meanwhile, > listening to WFUV yesterday AM around 10:15-ish and heard someone's > cover of You Stay Here. Been a little out of the loop lately. Can > anyone fill me in on who this was, and how they came to be doing this > cover? > Thanks! > Lea G ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:52:06 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Wisteria Chords Actually it wasn't Ed who tabbed Wisteria in standard tuning but another chap from either the Dar List or Richard List, I forget now. He's tabbed a lot of the John Gorka catalogue. RonG may know who I'm talking about. Very definitely, it was Wisteria in standard tuning, and it sounded decent. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:02:48 EST From: SMOKEY596@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] cover of You Stay Here? Gabriel Yacoub covers "You Stay Here" on his CD, The Simple Things We Said. _www.gabrielyacoub.com_ (http://www.gabrielyacoub.com) . SMOKEY Go Colts! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:54:27 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Wisteria Chords >> Actually it wasn't Ed who tabbed Wisteria in standard tuning but another chap from either the Dar List or Richard List, I forget now. He's tabbed a lot of the John Gorka catalogue. RonG may know who I'm talking about. Very definitely, it was Wisteria in standard tuning, and it sounded decent. << A guy named Gregory Steele does a lot of chording of some of the same folks I do, although he doesn't ever indicate when a song is in anything but standard tuning. Still a decent selection of songs. Here's his standard version of "Wisteria." I'd recommend, though, that if you want to do the song -- and if DADGAD gives you the heebie-jeebies -- just do my version with standard chord shapes. _http://www.gregorysteele.com/index.php?section=31&cat=3_ (http://www.gregorysteele.com/index.php?section=31&cat=3) RG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:19:09 -0500 From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] cover of You Stay Here? On 11/9/05, Adam Plunkett wrote: > > Lea, > > The only cover version I know is by Willy Porter, which is on his live > album. Willy used to open for Richard when he was starting out, or so I hear. His cover of YSH is pretty faithful, but "looser" and more raw. Jethro Tull's Martin Barre accompanies him on electric guitar. (I'll be seeing Willy tomorrow night at Passim.) --Chris - -- "We were born in a dark age out of due time (for us). But there is this comfort: otherwise we should not know, or so much love, what we do love. I imagine the fish out of water is the only fish to have an inkling of water." - --J.R.R. Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:35:08 -0500 From: B Gallagher Subject: [RS] Wisteria Confession Teri wrote: > Here, here! One of the most beautifully poignant songs ever written! > Thank you, Richard. Yes, I agree. I really did get SNP for the previous owners. But must confess, (looking directly at you and not pointing with retracted index finger) I DID NOT cut down THAT WISTERIA VINE. - as I had written earlier. I was just, just wanting to get some attention. In fact, there is no wisteria; just some wild grape vines in the back. The kind that give those really hard small green grapes that only Ewell Gibbons can eat with his Grape Nuts. I cut them down, and didn't even hum "Wisteria" as I cut them. There was no sentimental attachment. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:22:50 -0500 From: John McDonnell Subject: [RS] Re: Last Wisteria from me Hi All, Gene wrote: >>the sense of being unable to recapture the past is what I get from this song, and I hear it in my head when I think about the places I've lived, the people I've known, or, really, anything in my life that is gone and will never come back.<< I am definitely in the minority here, but bear with me. I agree that the beauty and poignancy of the song have wide appeal--from teenagers to people who have never sold houses, but I still feel the song resists a kind of generalized melancholy of something lost. To my mind, there is as much a sense of displacement rather than general loss. The wisteria did not just die from the neglect of the new owners, but was physically cut down. The house which holds all their memories, is, after all, still just a house, with new occupants. I find a sense of vanity in the narrators investment in the wisteria, which has literally been cut down. And while there is a real sense of loss on the narrator's part, I'm not sure the song so strongly supports this sense of melancholy. I tend to contrast the house and the wisteria: man-made vs. organic, only one of which can really be owned. The emotional investment in the wisteria is ultimately futile, because it can never be owned, whereas the house, whose value ultimately lies in its having provided the setting for many fond memories, will always have that, no matter who the occupants are. John McD. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:56:24 -0500 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Last Wisteria from me By the way, here's the Jackson Browne song I often do as a medley with "Wisteria" when I play out. RG LOOKING INTO YOU Well I looked into a house I once lived in Around the time I first went on my own When the roads were as many as the places I had dreamed of And my friends and I were one Now the distance is done and the search has begun I've come to see where my beginnings have gone Oh the walls and the windows were still standing And the music could be heard at the door Where the people who kindly endured my odd questions Asked if I came very far And when my silence replied they took me inside Where their children sat playing on the floor Well we spoke of the changes that would find us farther on And it left me so warm and so high But as I stepped back outside to the grey morning sun I heard that highway whisper and sigh Are you ready to fly? And I looked into the faces all passing by It's an ocean that will never be filled And the house that grows older and finally crumbles That even love cannot rebuild It's a hotel at best, you're here as a guest You oughta make yourself at home while you're waiting for the rest Well I looked into dream of the millions That one day the search will be through Now here I stand at the edge of my embattled illusions Looking into you The great song traveler passed through here And he opened my eyes to the view And I was among those who called him a prophet And I asked him what was true Until the distance had shown how the road remains alone Now I'm looking in my life for a truth that is my own Well I looked into the sky for my anthem And the words and the music came through But words and music can never touch the beauty that I've seen Looking into you -- and that's true (c) 1971 WB Music Corp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:25:01 -0500 From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Last Wisteria from me On 11/9/05, John McDonnell wrote: > > I tend to contrast the house and the wisteria: man-made vs. organic, only > one of which can really be owned. The emotional investment in the wisteria > is ultimately futile, because it can never be owned, whereas the house, > whose value ultimately lies in its having provided the setting for many fond > memories, will always have that, no matter who the occupants are. That's fascinating! I love how different people can have such different views of songs as (relatively) simple as Wisteria. Huh, that's an interesting take, I'll have to mull that over. For myself, I ascribe very different sybolism to the wisteria. I don't see the narrator as investing the *wisteria *with emotion; rather, I see the wisteria as itself being representative of the narrator's investment of emotion into the house. I see the wisteria as "being" both the narrator's love and his memory, which--just like the vine--steadily grow and entwine the house, imperceptibly growing ever longer and fuller as time goes by. (And, of course, the association of vine and memory is directly made by the narrator: "the vine of my memory".) This dual sense of "capturing" and entwining is very strong for me. Thus I see the vine not as an object of the narrator's love, but rather the vehicle of that love/memory, which is directed at the house. In the narrator's memory, the vine "still blooms all around those eaves": both the love and the wisteria are still in full bloom, in the narrator's mind. (Note that "vine of my memory" functions equally well here with both associative and possessive interpretations of "of my memory": the vine that *belongs to* his memory (conveying his love), and the vine that actually *is* his memory.) Ultimately, it's this interpretation of the vine's symbolism that makes the phrase "it's true it's a chore to tame wisteria" so very, very powerful and moving to me. Maybe the most moving lyric of all of Richard's songs, on a personal level at least. Man, what a beautiful, beautiful metaphor. Is there truly anything more difficult to "tame" than one's sadness at the passing of loved things/people? Can there be any "chore" greater, or more unending, than the struggle to cherish the good times that were and not be overwhelmed by the sadness of their passing? While listening to the song, I get a very powerful image of the narrator lovingly cultivating those vines yet also fighting to keep control of them, while simultaneously cultivating his memories of the house while struggling to avoid being overwhelmed by them. Vine = memory/love, and it's the same fight he's waging with both. Man. It really gets me, every single time. --Chris - -- "We were born in a dark age out of due time (for us). But there is this comfort: otherwise we should not know, or so much love, what we do love. I imagine the fish out of water is the only fish to have an inkling of water." - -- J.R.R. Tolkien ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V7 #267 ***********************************