From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V7 #265 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, November 8 2005 Volume 07 : Number 265 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] more Wisteria [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Wisteria [Lisa Davis - home ] [RS] Egad! [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] Re: Egad! (Blue Northern) [hopedancing@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:11:05 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] more Wisteria >> every time I passed a Best Western or a Kenworth you can imagine what jumped into my head. << Happened to me this morning. Driving down the highway (not 80, sadly), listening to "Kenworth of my Dreams" on the live album, and An Actual Kenworth pulled up beside me. I smiled hugely and gave the driver a big thumbs-up, even though he obviously had no idea why. Simply made my morning. And there's a new housing development being built right down the road from my neighborhood, split into three sections. Hawk Valley. Dove Pointe. And, of course, Falcon Ridge. RG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:33:50 -0500 From: Lisa Davis - home Subject: Re: [RS] Wisteria It occurs to me that age has nothing to do with this issue anyway. I'm 45 and I've never yet "sold" a house. Moved out of an apartment, yes, but that was a thing of rejoicing! Chris, well said. loving/leaving. Wishing something beloved would never change, and how you feel to know it has. Lisa Davis PS I included both posts because they are both well said! Chris Foxwell wrote: > On 11/7/05, John McDonnell wrote: > >>Hi All, >>Jim [actually Chris] wrote: >> >> >>>>Yeah, I agree with Ron. The power of this song lies in its simplicity, >> >>which allows it to resonate with any listener's experience.<< >>I agree that the simplicity of the song is powerful, but I'm not so sure >>it >>has universal resonance. It struck me as a song for "older" listeners, or >>ones who could at least appreciate having bought or sold a house. I don't >>want to sound too reductive about the symbolism of the wisteria, but the >>concrete image of the house which grounds the memories is something which >>is >>both universal and specific (make sense?). However, I think being able to >>identify with the couple gives the song its real storytelling power. >>This post reminds me of the time an English professor told me that I was >>(then) too young to appreciate Yeats' later poetry--I was in my twenties, >>was looking to get my degree before my forties, so I thought he was a >>jerk. >>I appear to have adopted his position. > > > No, that makes sense, you're not being a jerk. I'm in my twenties, and I > freely admit that I don't have a clue about the emotional significance of > buying and then selling a house (or about many other things). I can see how > the song's resonance, powerful though it seems to me now, would be even > stronger for someone who has experienced precisely this. However, I'm not > arguing for true universal applicability, just a wider applicability than > "you must have purchased a house with your loved one and then sold it in > order to get the full power of the song". Many people who have never owned a > house have still experienced the pangs of leaving one, as a result of moving > away from a beloved house in one's youth, for one example. That is what I > draw on when appreciating the song: a loss of childhood beauty and > simplicity, things that are very much grounded for me in a certain house. I > swear that house was built out of Youth and Magic. The memory of leaving it > is palpable, and is very intense and vivid for me, even now, many years > later. It's definitely vivid enough for the song to evoke very strong > "house-leaving" emotions in me, though I've not experienced precisely that > which the song depicts. > So, yeah; even if the house is an integral part of the song's mood--still > an "if" to me--I don't think it necessarily requires buying/selling, for > every person. I would say that "living/leaving" is the foundational element, > to be added to and personalized by one's experiences: buying/selling, > youth/not-youth, loving/bereft, etc. Whether or not the buying/selling > aspect is the single most powerful one out there, well...who's to say? > People are very different, and take different things away from different > experiences. As many of Richard's songs so aptly illustrate. :) > --Chris > -- > "We were born in a dark age out of due time (for us). But there is this > comfort: otherwise we should not know, or so much love, what we do love. I > imagine the fish out of water is the only fish to have an inkling of water." > -- J.R.R. Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 01:55:40 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Egad! In a message dated 11/7/2005 9:08:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Candace _writes_ (mailto:writes@smoe.org) : >>He did some incredible guitar work all evening and even did an unrehearsed electric guitar solo when joining Lucy on Blue Northern for the first time (totally unrehearsed) which was absolutely phenomenal.<< You couldn't possibly mean Richard is covering "Blue Norther," Louise Taylor's incredible anthem to her time living on South Padre Island? Be still my heart! Now THIS I have to hear!!!!! OMIGOD. RunnincrazyRonD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 04:01:42 -0500 From: hopedancing@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Egad! (Blue Northern) Ooops. Sorry, Ron. I goofed on the title. It was the Ian Tyson song "Someday Soon" that Lucy and Richard played together, unrehearsed (not Louise Taylor, although I would have loved to hear that too:) So blow, you old blue northern blow my love to me He's ridin' in tonight from California He loves his damned old rodeo as much as he loves me Someday soon, goin' with him someday soon. I didn't get the sense this was on the planned agenda at all. Lucy had some childhood friends in the audience and one of them asked her to sing this one as a special request. Richard was on stage accompanying her at the time on other songs, so he just naturally started playing along on this one and singing harmony. Mid way through the song, Lucy turned to him and said "Wanna do a solo?" and Richard just took it away on the electric guitar... and I mean TOOK IT AWAY. That was one beautiful unrehearsed electric guitar solo! A true crowd pleaser... this was one of the highlights of the evening. For some reason, I always think the title to this song is "Blue Northern" when it is actually "Someday Soon." I love the Louise Taylor track, too. Candace ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V7 #265 ***********************************