From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V7 #190 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, August 13 2005 Volume 07 : Number 190 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] RE: Brokerage gig [Jamie Younghans / John McDonnell ] [RS] Encores ["Bill Chmelir" ] Re: [RS] Encores [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] Encores [Tom Neff ] Re: [RS] RE: Brokerage gig [Jeff Bernstein ] Re: [RS] Encores ["Norman Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:50:32 -0400 From: Jamie Younghans / John McDonnell Subject: [RS] RE: Brokerage gig Hi all, Janet wrote: John McD., were you the one who asked Richard about his tunings? Janet , it was not I. Given how he plays, and how I play, it would be like asking Jesus how he turned water into wine (Well, first, become the messiah ..)! I did think it was funny that RS thought the request for the tuning was not how he tuned the guitar, but that he should tune it! Any ideas why he asked for requests, but then didn't play any? Especially since we at least got the names right. Next time I'm going to yell out "Pink Anorak." Based on the posts, I still say he abandoned "Money for Floods." John McD. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:22:49 EDT From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Assent...sort of At the risk of contradicting both Richard and Jeff B., I definitely heard the opening notes to "Money for Floods" at the Brokerage gig Wednesday night. He may well have made an attempt at "Ascent" as well (as he confirmed after the show) but MFF almost came out as well. Apologies extended to Janet C. for failing to mention her as one of the listers at the show--how did I miss seeing you? I should have known you'd be there, since I've seen you at virtually every other show Richard has ever done on Long Island. Then again, it was very crowded, which is a good thing (excuse my Martha Stewart moment). Also, my compliments to Janet for mentioning Richard doing "Deportee," the one song in the set I've never heard him do. I think he did a great job of it, best version I've heard since Martha Trachtenberg at the Woody Guthrie Tribute Concert in Huntington about six years ago. Richard also treated us to "Sittin' on Top of the World" played on the classic electric Danelectro guitar given to him by Amy and Bob Westcott the last time he was at the Brokerage. How weird that neither were at the show to hear him play a really bluesy version of the song, even though Richard allowed that "I can't play the blues." I beg to differ--his licks, while hardly Edgar Winter, were damned good. Also loved hearing his slow version of Reunion Hill played on the Danelectro. Sweet. As for the new slow arrangement of AYHN, I mentioned to Richard that I was surprised to learn the song was now a dirge. He snickered and said it can be anything from bluegrass to rock and roll, depending on his mood. Hmmmm..... Richard seemed to be in a very upbeat mood after the show, despite not having a single "Vuelta" CD for sale. He could have sold a ton! And thanks to Janet and John McD for their praise of James O'Malley--he's been down in the dumps lately and I know he'll be overjoyed to hear your comments. We sure do want him to keep doing what he does so well. Tempted to make it to the King of Prussia gig. Should be a great one in a great venue. Who else is loving the new John Prine CD? RegurgitatinRonD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: [RS] Brokerage gig > John McD. wrote > Any ideas why he asked for requests, but then didn't > play any? > He does this alot! Maybe to torture us? > Based on the posts, I still say he abandoned "Money > for Floods." I'm also positive he was starting "Money for Floods." It's funny but when he started playing "Big Muddy" for a wild second, I thought it was "The Things that I Have Seen"! I didn't hear "Ascent" though. Thanks Ron for your kind words, I'm sure we'll bump into each other again. I've seen Jimmy LaFave do "Deportee" with the audience joining in on the chorus. I guess Richard's not a sing-along kind of fella! Janet ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:18:37 -0700 From: "Bill Chmelir" Subject: [RS] Encores Why do audiences still insist on, and artists oblige, encores? Aren't they just a silly standard formality at concerts anymore? Are we really so programmed that we wouldn't be just as happy with slightly longer 1st and 2nd sets? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:01:28 -0400 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Encores >> Why do audiences still insist on, and artists oblige, encores? Aren't they just a silly standard formality at concerts anymore? << I tend to agree . . . they're silly. The fact that I see artists actually WRITE encore songs onto their set-lists is pretty presumptuous, actually. And hey, when's the last time you saw an audience not request an encore from the main act (openers don't count, because they'd usually be SHOT if they came out again), and when's the last time the artist didn't acknowledge one? RG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:07:50 -0600 From: Tom Neff Subject: Re: [RS] Encores Bill Chmelir wrote: > Why do audiences still insist on, and artists oblige, encores? Aren't > they just a silly standard formality at concerts anymore? Are we really > so programmed that we wouldn't be just as happy with slightly longer 1st > and 2nd sets? An encore gives the audience a chance to make its appreciation (or lack thereof) part of the show. The fact that many encores are more or less pro forma doesn't change the magic of the occasional one that makes the night. There are already enough ways in which the modern music audience is made to feel like a passive commodity consumer. I think we can afford to let them keep one semi-illogical opportunity to yell and stomp and scream and coax a tired band back onstage for something special. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:23:34 -0400 From: Jeff Bernstein Subject: Re: [RS] RE: Brokerage gig I'm now pretty sure that it was "Money For Floods" and not "Ascent" that Richard started and stopped during the encore, despite what he told me after the show. When he started it I knew I knew the song right away but just couldn't place it and he stopped before I could identify it. I guess I'd never be a winner on Name That Tune. Upon listening to "Money For Floods" today I'm now pretty certain that was it. Sorry for the confusion. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:27:47 -0400 From: "Norman Johnson" Subject: Re: [RS] Encores Tom wrote: >> An encore gives the audience a chance to make its appreciation (or lack thereof) part of the show. The fact that many encores are more or less pro forma doesn't change the magic of the occasional one that makes the night. There are already enough ways in which the modern music audience is made to feel like a passive commodity consumer. I think we can afford to let them keep one semi-illogical opportunity to yell and stomp and scream and coax a tired band back onstage for something special.<< I agree with Tom. I'll add that while the first encore is usually a given, audience appreciation and artist's state of mind often determine whether there will be a second encore. Of course, that is all subject to whether the club will stay open and whether the artist has a flight to catch, etc. I recall Dave Carter and Tracy Grammer playing three or maybe four encores at the Iron Horse in Sept. 01. Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V7 #190 ***********************************