From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V7 #53 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, February 10 2005 Volume 07 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] RE: shindell-list-digest V7 #51 [Tony Hillyard ] Re: Re: [RS] Last Thing on My Mind [] Re: [RS] RE: shindell-list-digest V7 #51 [] [RS] Misty water-colored memories... ["Isabel Frey" ] [RS] Jim Croce [B Gallagher ] [RS] Golden age [Kelly Thompson ] Re: [RS] Golden age [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Folk Rado ["Gene Frey" ] [RS] WOR [Norman Johnson ] [RS] The river [Norman Johnson ] [RS] Uhhhh...that's Folk Radio ["Gene Frey" ] Re: [RS] Misty water-colored memories... [FJPQ@aol.com] Re: [RS] Golden age [Lisa Davis - home ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:17:34 +1300 From: Tony Hillyard Subject: [RS] RE: shindell-list-digest V7 #51 Hi I've been a lurker on the list for a few weeks. This is a reply to Joe who seems to have an interesting perception of what was folk in the 60's and who were Superstars back then. My question for Joe: Were you around in the 60's and were you old enough then to listen and judge the performers of that era? Perhaps you were? I don't know. I certainly was. People definitely knew who she was. Even my Dad did and he hated Folk music! Joan Baez was Internationally famous in the early part of her career. She filled the Albert Hall in London, then the premier concert hall in England, every time she came over. Only superstars did that in those days. Just her and her little acoustic guitar singing mostly traditional English, Scots, Spanish and American ballads although the odd Dylan song had begun to appear in the concert list by then too. Not Folk? Oh please. Definitely not pop. Very definitely Folk. I was in the audience cheering and stomping with the rest of them. Cheers Tony ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 6:35:57 -0600 From: Subject: Re: Re: [RS] Last Thing on My Mind > For Joe Lanza although you kind of answered it -- > Ok, fine, maybe not "super"stars, but stars certainly. My point is that > if you turned on popular radio 1965-1975 you heard stuff that sounded > like that. That's certainly not true today. There's also a kind of > circular reasoning. If it's that popular it must be pop and not folk? > "Folk" is by definition supposed to be the music of the people, the > music that gets passed on and re-interpreted without really so much > identification with its creator. Which suggests that it is, or once > was, POPULAR. Folk of the pre-20th century was the National Enquirer > (or whatever) of its day. Tabloid. Now I'm going back pre-60s, to be > sure. But in a sense any music only enjoyed and listened to by the > select few, really can't call itself folk. > > Radio -- not AM certainly. I suppose I'm being parochial. I grew up in > Philadelphia, and life changed when I discovered the FM dial. Maybe not > the same everywhere. > > Lisa again > Lisa, When I think of "folk" I guess I get a singer-song writer picture in my head. To me, and this is only my personal feeling, no matter how popular a song or artist become, if they have "folk" roots, they remain folk to me. I think of pop as a "sound" (or many sounds) rather than simply how popular a song or artist becomes. Perhaps this is simply conditioning from growing up listening to radio (New York area). Unfortunately, you cannot count on radio for much any more, and I happen to now live almost exactly halfway between Phillie and New York which means I fail to pull in both XPN and FUV equally! Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 6:45:07 -0600 From: Subject: Re: [RS] RE: shindell-list-digest V7 #51 Tony, I was around in the 60s and very into the music and what was going on. You have a slightly different view than I do, but only slightly. I think that Baez was certainly folk early on, and that she was not a superstar in the sense that she was not on the same level as the Supremes, the Beach Boys, the Stones, etc. Do you think that she was? Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:02:51 -0500 From: "Isabel Frey" Subject: [RS] Misty water-colored memories... Joe said he didn't remember any NY-area radio stations playing folk music in the 1960s. I'm not sure what they played in the '60s, but in the early '70s WKTU played folk (similar in many ways to WFUV) - until that dark day when I turned on my transister radio and found - DISCO! Speaking of radio, did anyone else listen to Jean Shephard's nightly radio program on WOR? Isabel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:07:47 -0500 From: B Gallagher Subject: [RS] Jim Croce Lisa wrote: > Speaking of Jim Croce, one of my dream technologies would be something that would let the listener strip out the overproduction and leave the rest. SO MANY of his songs start out gorgeous acoustic and wind up with 1001 strings, it's infuriating. Years ago I saw a video with just Croce and another guitar player. And He Bad! (sorry, I have no other info) BG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:50:41 -0800 From: Kelly Thompson Subject: [RS] Golden age Interesting comment that this is the "golden" age of folk. Could be! The singer-songwriter genre phenomenon indicates that possibility. But why don't they just call it folk??? Is there a radio station in existence that calls it's format "Folk?" Is there a chart for "Folk"radio format in R&R and Billboard? Then again, we have to take the information age revolution into account. Things are happening on the internet that aren't being "charted" and industry controlled, although they're quickly catching up. I can't pretend to have my finger on this, but hope to learn more. I would love to see either a "Singer-Songwriter" or "Folk" format for radio. Again, is there one? Someone mentioned "The River." Is that the station out of Boston? Great music from what little I've heard and seen on their play list. Still, not solely folk or singer-songwriter. The demo tape went over very well, btw! Thanks for your suggestions. Just to let you know, the P.D. Commented on the "great selection of music." I'd love more suggestions at starrynight@starband.net anytime. Pick four songs that you think make a great folk/singer-songwriter mix. I'd love one targeted toward the thirty-something listener, the forty-something, the fifty-something, and the twenty-something. Then I can analyze the difference, not that it's a scientific study, but will certainly be helpful to me in putting together shows. Love to hear thematic suggestions also. Btw, any recommendations for shows by RS or anyone good in NYC (Brooklyn or Manhattan) the week of Feb. 20 thru Feb. 24? Or in Boston the week of Feb. 28 - March 4? Thanks, Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:47:41 -0500 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Golden age >> But why don't they just call it folk??? << 'Cause then we'll all have to agree what "folk" is!! Me, I'm just a proponent of the "I know it when I hear it" school. RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:43:39 -0500 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Folk Rado Hey you guys, WUMB in Boston proudly waves the Folk flag. www.wumb.org Gene F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:43:08 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] WOR >> Speaking of radio, did anyone else listen to Jean Shephard's nightly radio program on WOR? << That sounds vaguely familiar. I grew up listening to WOR and very clearly remember the morning show Rambling with Gambling. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:50:43 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] The river >> Someone mentioned "The River." Is that the station out of Boston? << No, the other side of the state. WRSI, the River, is out of Northampton. (www.wrsi.com) Jim Olson and Johnny Memphis are deejays on the station (Jim- Saturday morning, Johnny- afternoons). If anyone listens to Air America, Rachel Maddow (one of the hosts of Unfilterred) got her start as the host of the the morning show, the Big Breakfast. They don't just play "folk" (whatever that is). They have their playlist listed and as a general guide, here are their top 93 songs, http://www.wrsi.com/ic/best_of/results?id=xxBaNjad&mv_pc=8. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:06:35 -0500 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Uhhhh...that's Folk Radio Sheesh...typos in the body of the post are bad enough, but in the subject? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:31:31 EST From: FJPQ@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Misty water-colored memories... In a message dated 2/10/2005 10:18:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, igak16@hotmail.com writes: Speaking of radio, did anyone else listen to Jean Shephard's nightly radio program on WOR? Oh Isabel...we used to love to listen to Jean Shepard on WOR... my Grandfather had all the books... years later we even went to see him live in Clinton NJ in an open air night designed to make you split your sides. We also very much loved the TV shows that were made based on his stories... "The Star Crossed Romance of Josephine Kosnofski (sp?) and the 4th of July one the title of which has slipped the mind... with the wash rag chain letter that Ralph's Mom wins! Remember the Pousse Cafe? I wonder if Richard ever listened....hmmmmmm Thanks for stirring those fond memories! Fran ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:22:30 -0500 From: Lisa Davis - home Subject: Re: [RS] Golden age Help, stop! I have been on assorted listservs for 10 years and inevitably we all wind up arguing about what "folk" is! I've even forgotten the folk music listserv where this practically brought people to blows. My fault!!! Rongrittz@aol.com wrote: >>>But why don't they just call it folk??? << > > > 'Cause then we'll all have to agree what "folk" is!! Me, I'm just a proponent of the "I know it when I hear it" school. > > RG ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V7 #53 **********************************