From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V7 #52 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, February 10 2005 Volume 07 : Number 052 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Re: folk suggestions [adam plunkett ] RE: [RS] These are the good old days! ["Joe Lanzalotto" ] Re: [RS] Last Thing on My Mind [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] These are the good old days! [Lisa Davis - home ] Re: [RS] Last Thing on My Mind [Lisa Davis - home ] Re: [RS] Last Thing on My Mind [Lisa Davis - home ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:35:34 -0800 (PST) From: adam plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] Re: folk suggestions - --- Kelly Thompson wrote: > > Thanks for suggesting Greg Brown, who I > "discovered," as a result! It's on one of his earlier albums....Greg is in my top five favorites. The man is judt awesome. > I just recently saw Vance Gilbert here in Homer, > Alaska with Christine > Lavin. She's hilarious and a good entertainer but > Vance is just over the > top incredible! Vance is one heck of an entertainer. Not always a fan of his albums but his new one is nice. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:08:41 -0500 From: "Joe Lanzalotto" Subject: RE: [RS] These are the good old days! I generally agree but do appreciate this generation for what they are. I do think, however, and here comes sacrilege on this list, that they are as a whole, much better live than on the "record" and that includes Richard. To me, his live performances surpass his recordings by miles and miles. Sorry. Joe - -----Original Message----- From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org] On Behalf Of adam plunkett Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:14 PM To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: Re: [RS] These are the good old days! While there are many talented singer-songwriters out there, I don't think it is the golden age. The 60's and 70's had so many great ones I just can't see this group surpassing. I think the quality of this group have more solid songwriters overall but the top was deeper in the past. (Dylan, Guthrie, Simon, Forbert, Ochs, E. Anderson, Collins, Mitchell, Alvin, MacLean, Wainwright for starters.) But recently, I have started to grow tired of some singer-songwriters that I loved in the past due to what I feel is bland production done on the majority of album releases from the folk scene. (Richard isnt one of them...I have grown to love his music anymore) I-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:13:33 -0500 From: "Joe Lanzalotto" Subject: RE: Re: [RS] Introducing Folk Superstar Joan Baez - Memory Lane (sorry) >Baez was very much folk....look at the songs she sang. >Maybe they were pop too, but they were also folk. The early stuff was clearly folk. Was Diamonds and Rust folk? Not to my ear, but I did like it. >Is Don McLean pop? Besides the "American Pie" album, >he recorded a lot of tradional tunes on the banjo. I dunno, what would you call a guy who said on stage at a place here in Jersey (Club Bene) "people ask me what American Pie means. I tell 'em, it means I never have to work again"? >Would anyone call Arlo Guthrie or Pete Seeger pop? I >personally wouldn't but then again they sold out huge >venues throughout the 60's and 70's. I don't think that being popular makes you pop - it's the kind of music you create/play that does that and that is in the ear of the beholder. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:17:03 -0500 From: "Joe Lanzalotto" Subject: RE: Re: [RS] Introducing Folk Superstar Joan Baez - Memory Lane (sorry) In the mid-sixties here in the New York area, I don't recall any radio stations playing folk, unless it was cross-over - was "Like a Rolling Stone" and "Positively 4th Street" pop or folk? I suppose we have now fallen into the trap of classifying the music rather than simply enjoying it. Guilty as charged. It should stand on it's own regardless of genre. Joe I disagree. It seems that folk was separate from the pop stuff back then, even though there may have been some crossover and folk had a rather large following. The radio stations that played the Shirelles, Neil Sedaka, and the Twist didn't play Dylan and Baez. At least not where I lived. I don't remember seeing them in the Jukeboxes either. Carrie in KC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:32:05 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] Last Thing on My Mind >> In the mid-sixties here in the New York area, I don't recall any radio stations playing folk, unless it was cross-over - was "Like a Rolling Stone" and "Positively 4th Street" pop or folk? << Folk rock. Dylan (vintage 1965) , Simon and Garfunkel, the Byrds were all folk rock. Don McLean definitely has folk roots and spent time with Seeger on the Clearwater before American Pie. McLean's work after American Pie also showed that he still had interest in folk/country. Other names that should be mentioned in this breath are Harry Chapin, Gordon Lightfoot, John Prine, and Steve Goodman. And I see a great deal of similarity between their work and that of Richard. Oh, a few years ago there was this excellent cover album called Bleecker Street where this generation's artists covered mid 60s folk rock gems. Jonatha Brooke did an amazing version of Paul Simon's Bleecker Street and Cry Cry Cry did Last Thing on My Mind by Tom Paxton. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:40:30 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Last Thing on My Mind >> Other names that should be mentioned in this breath are Harry Chapin, Gordon Lightfoot, John Prine, and Steve Goodman. << John Denver, Jim Croce, James Taylor? RG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:05:22 -0500 From: Lisa Davis - home Subject: Re: [RS] These are the good old days! >These artists just aren't on the charts. They are just beneath the radar. Yeah, but I'd rather be a little less lonely in my music appreciation. And I'd like to be able to turn on the radio without wanting to turn it off right away. -- Lisa, 55-wannabee (bet there aren't too many out there) Norman Johnson wrote: > This is the Golden age of Singer-songwriter music -- whether youo call it folk, americana, alt.country. There's a whole bunch of really good musicians who know how to write and sing songs out there. A glance through Scott Alarik's book _Deep Community_ shows that. These artists just aren't on the charts. They are just beneath the radar. > > Norman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:01:30 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] Are you out there? Lisa wrote: >> Yeah, but I'd rather be a little less lonely in my music appreciation. And I'd like to be able to turn on the radio without wanting to turn it off right away.<< Lisa, are you within listening range of WRSI "The River", home of Jim(my) Olson & Johnny Memphis from Dar's "Are You Out There"? Norman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:22:22 -0500 From: Lisa Davis - home Subject: Re: [RS] Last Thing on My Mind OK, another twist on this theme. I often marvel at how much CLOSER we are today (that is, younger people today, some of them anyway) to the music of 35-40 years ago than my parents' generation would have been closer to the music 35 years behind that. I suppose I'm talking now about "rock" more than folk, as after all you had blues in the 30s (although not across the board) and then you got the Weavers and Woody Guthrie and Jean Richie in the 40s and 50s. But compare say 40s swing bands to what was playing in 1970! Will this continue? I hope so. SO much for "My Generation." Did people out there see "School of Rock"? My kids are 12 and 15 so I saw it twice :) and we all loved the music. (Here we deviate from "folk" entirely...) For Joe Lanza although you kind of answered it -- Ok, fine, maybe not "super"stars, but stars certainly. My point is that if you turned on popular radio 1965-1975 you heard stuff that sounded like that. That's certainly not true today. There's also a kind of circular reasoning. If it's that popular it must be pop and not folk? "Folk" is by definition supposed to be the music of the people, the music that gets passed on and re-interpreted without really so much identification with its creator. Which suggests that it is, or once was, POPULAR. Folk of the pre-20th century was the National Enquirer (or whatever) of its day. Tabloid. Now I'm going back pre-60s, to be sure. But in a sense any music only enjoyed and listened to by the select few, really can't call itself folk. Radio -- not AM certainly. I suppose I'm being parochial. I grew up in Philadelphia, and life changed when I discovered the FM dial. Maybe not the same everywhere. Lisa again ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:14:59 -0500 From: Lisa Davis - home Subject: Re: [RS] Last Thing on My Mind 'Course I would have mentioned all these but I DID think they were just a shade closer to pop. Speaking of Jim Croce, one of my dream technologies would be something that would let the listener strip out the overproduction and leave the rest. SO MANY of his songs start out gorgeous acoustic and wind up with 1001 strings, it's infuriating. Rongrittz@aol.com wrote: >>>Other names that should be mentioned in this breath are Harry Chapin, > > Gordon Lightfoot, John Prine, and Steve Goodman. << > > John Denver, Jim Croce, James Taylor? > > RG ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V7 #52 **********************************