From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V7 #51 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, February 9 2005 Volume 07 : Number 051 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Diamonds and Rust [] Re: Re: [RS] Introducing Folk Superstar Joan Baez - Memory Lane (sorry) [] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V7 #48 [mary mccarthy ] [RS] posing for photos- what comes out grey is really blush ["kunigund] Re: Re: [RS] Introducing Folk Superstar Joan Baez - Memory Lane (sorry) [] [RS] Joe's Pub Dates [Janet Cinelli ] Re: Re: [RS] Introducing Folk Superstar Joan Baez - Memory Lane (sorry) [] Re: [RS] Joe's Pub Dates [Vanessa Wills ] Re: [RS] These are the good old days! [adam plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] Diamonds and Rust Interesting that an awful lot of the music that people associate with the 60s really came from the early to mid seventies...then came the dark side - disco! > > From: B Gallagher > Date: 2005/02/09 Wed AM 12:55:02 CST > To: shindell-list@smoe.org > Subject: [RS] Diamonds and Rust > > > Followed by Diamonds and Rust. > Which was covered by Judas Priest. Hell Bent, Hell Bent for Leather... > > '71 Trivia - The Doors > Love Her Madly and Riders on the Storm > > J Airplane - White Rabbit > > (1) why doesn't our top 100 list today look like these??? > What? You don't like Broccoli Spears? They're good for you. > > (2) it all went to hell starting in 1972. > I disagree. Who, Allmans, Steely Dan, Partridge Family... > > Why wasn't I born 10 years earlier, dammit? > Then you would be 55! now. > > (3) oh yeah. We have Richard Shindell, anyway! > Oh Yeah! > > Good history lesson. > Thanks Lisa. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 6:43:01 -0600 From: Subject: Re: Re: [RS] Introducing Folk Superstar Joan Baez - Memory Lane (sorry) Lisa, Wonderfully researched post, and all true, but sorry, I would contend that Baez, along with Dylan and some of the other people you mention, were pop artists, not folk. As you say, it is a fine line, but Dylan at least has said that he never wanted to be a folk guy, it's just what was popular at the time. That's a little too glib for me and certainly sounds like self-revisionist history, coming from a guy who likes to be difficult to read nad interview. Also, we might have different definitions of "superstar". I hear you about the gold LPs, but that's not near enough to meet that definition for me. The Supremes were superstars. The Byrds, the Stones, the Beach Boys. To achieve gold record status back then, I believe an LP needed $1 million in sales. (I could be wrong, so don't be shy about telling me if I am!). In addition to the record sales, I think a superstar is someone who is an easily recognized name. I do not believe that that to be the case for Baez in say, 1966. That does not in any way minimize her impact on folk music, just measures her status as a "superstar". My two cents. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:41:09 -0500 From: mary mccarthy Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V7 #48 Subject: posing for photos- what comes out grey is really blush Hey Carrie in KC- thanks for you post.-A lister after my own heart. I am not usually star struck or impressed with celebrity- have worked with some pretty famous people in the past. but when I meet RS after a show- I am so in awe of his talent, that I turn into a quivering bowl of adolescent mush in a near 50 y/o body... but I wouldn't trade the feeling for anything. mary in nyc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:05:53 -0500 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] Joe's Pub Dates Hey you guys, The Fleming site shows that Richard will be at Joe's Pub on April 7 and 8, but Joe's Pub site and Telecharge only have April 7 listed. Joe's Pub site has nothing listed for April 8, which is sort of unusual. Does anyone know which is the right date(s)? Thanks. Gene F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:31:07 -0600 From: "kunigunda" Subject: [RS] posing for photos- what comes out grey is really blush Hey Mary in NYC- Good for you! I think it's fun to say hi after a show to a performer you admire. Usually that isn't possible..it's a new experience for me. I don't know how much I was quivering but I'm glad I now have a photo of me w/ R. And, since that photo didn't post, I did some more cropping and have a cute head and shoulders shot of R if anyone is interested. Just email me off list and I'll forward it to you. Carrie in KC > Hey Carrie in KC- > thanks for you post.-A lister after my own heart. I am not usually star > struck or impressed with celebrity- have worked with some pretty famous > people in the past. but when I meet RS after a show- I am so in > awe of his talent, that I turn into a quivering bowl of adolescent mush > in a near 50 y/o body... but I wouldn't trade the feeling for anything. > mary in nyc > - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:44:57 -0600 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: Re: [RS] Introducing Folk Superstar Joan Baez - Memory Lane (sorry) > would contend that Baez, along with Dylan and some of the other people you > mention, were pop artists, not folk. I disagree. It seems that folk was separate from the pop stuff back then, even though there may have been some crossover and folk had a rather large following. The radio stations that played the Shirelles, Neil Sedaka, and the Twist didn't play Dylan and Baez. At least not where I lived. I don't remember seeing them in the Jukeboxes either. Carrie in KC - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: Janet Cinelli Subject: [RS] Joe's Pub Dates According to Joe's Pub, Richard is only playing April 7 and it'll be the late show at 9:30. Fleming has him playing the 7th and 8th at 7:00. I wonder which is right? Janet - --- Gene Frey wrote: > Does anyone know which is the right date(s)? Thanks. > > Gene F. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:04:51 -0800 (PST) From: adam plunkett Subject: Re: Re: [RS] Introducing Folk Superstar Joan Baez - Memory Lane (sorry) It is my opinion that - in the eyes of the music media - - once a folk singer has a huge hit, they become pop stars. So a folk singer who has a number one hit becomes a pop singer because the popular audience dug their tune. The line is even finer nowadays as many folk artists' albums are fully produced. I understand that Dylan didn't want to be labeled folk but, in the beginning, he was more in the folk tradition than 99% of the artists these days that call them selves "folk". The man knew Woody Guthrie, the godfather of the genre. His first few albums were just him on acoustic guitar. His first album featured many traditional tunes. He used to hang out at folk venues and homes of folk muscians. I saw Eric Bibb, son of Leon Bibb, recently who mentioned meeting Dylan when he was twelve. (Leon Bibb was a folksinger) Baez was very much folk....look at the songs she sang. Maybe they were pop too, but they were also folk. Is Don McLean pop? Besides the "American Pie" album, he recorded a lot of tradional tunes on the banjo. Would anyone call Arlo Guthrie or Pete Seeger pop? I personally wouldn't but then again they sold out huge venues throughout the 60's and 70's. > Wonderfully researched post, and all true, but > sorry, I would contend that Baez, along with Dylan > and some of the other people you mention, were pop > artists, not folk. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:13:29 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Joe's Pub Dates You know, "Guess the Tour Date" is a game that's much less fun to play than one might initially suppose. ::sigh:: Are there any other dates that don't match up? - --V On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:02:16 -0800 (PST), Janet Cinelli wrote: > According to Joe's Pub, Richard is only playing April > 7 and it'll be the late show at 9:30. Fleming has him > playing the 7th and 8th at 7:00. I wonder which is > right? > Janet > > --- Gene Frey wrote: > > Does anyone know which is the right date(s)? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:14:11 -0800 (PST) From: adam plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] These are the good old days! While there are many talented singer-songwriters out there, I don't think it is the golden age. The 60's and 70's had so many great ones I just can't see this group surpassing. I think the quality of this group have more solid songwriters overall but the top was deeper in the past. (Dylan, Guthrie, Simon, Forbert, Ochs, E. Anderson, Collins, Mitchell, Alvin, MacLean, Wainwright for starters.) But recently, I have started to grow tired of some singer-songwriters that I loved in the past due to what I feel is bland production done on the majority of album releases from the folk scene. (Richard isnt one of them...I have grown to love his music anymore) I-- Alarik's book is good, I agree. - --- Norman Johnson wrote: > This is the Golden age of Singer-songwriter music -- > whether youo call it folk, americana, alt.country. > There's a whole bunch of really good musicians who > know how to write and sing songs out there. A glance > through Scott Alarik's book _Deep Community_ shows > that. These artists just aren't on the charts. They > are just beneath the radar. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V7 #51 **********************************