From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V7 #49 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Wednesday, February 9 2005 Volume 07 : Number 049 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V7 #48 ["Jason@Stanley.net" ] [RS] Friends, Romans, Shindellians? [Vanessa Wills ] Re: [RS] Thanks for the info [Lisa Davis - home ] Re: [RS] Introducing Folk Superstar Joan Baez - Memory Lane (sorry) [Lisa] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:22:16 -0600 From: "Jason@Stanley.net" Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V7 #48 >Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:50:39 -0500 >From: Ron Alderfer >Subject: [RS] Sonora Sessions > >Fellow Shindellians.... > >or is that Shindellites? I have a copy of the Sonora Sessions EP (legally >purchased at an RS show). If anyone is interested in making a trade for >the "Spring" EP - or if you know where I can get my hands on one, by some >miracle - please contact me offlist. Thanks! >Ron A > > > I have bought 5 copies and have 1 left I can get rid of anybody else wants to trade after Ron's is gone. Also does anyone have or know were to get any downloads of videos or Richard playing besides the bit torrent one ( I have tried for days to get in). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:30:33 -0800 From: Kelly Thompson Subject: [RS] Re: folk suggestions Just a quick thank-you for those who offered suggestions for my demo tape. I was unable to locate all the music suggested. I ended up playing: The Weather by Richard Greg Brown: Solid Heart (by 11 yr old Jose) Lucy Kaplansky: This Is My Home Peter Mulvey: Ocean I really, really wanted to play Christine Kane's The One Thing I Know. Has anyone heard of Jess Klein. I rather like her tune "California." Seems this is an early EP? Her later stuff is too "rocky" for me. Also absolutely loved Greg Brown's I Wish I Was a Painter! I found these on I-Tunes, but wasn't able to put them on CD for studio tape. Thanks for suggesting Greg Brown, who I "discovered," as a result! The tape went over well. Updates to come. I just recently saw Vance Gilbert here in Homer, Alaska with Christine Lavin. She's hilarious and a good entertainer but Vance is just over the top incredible! Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:53:43 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: [RS] Friends, Romans, Shindellians? Ron A wrote: <> This would be the latest in a string of recent posts revealing to me that my memory of what's been discussed on this list in years past borders on the encyclopedic. I really don't know whether I should be proud of that or not. In January of 1999, Sally A. Green (who founded this list--how's that for trivia?) posted the following after an exchange she had with Richard: <> Of course what I've seen most frequently used by members of this list to refer to one another is the term "lister." It has the merit of being simple and not too "clever," but since there is no widely used term to refer to Shindell fans who might not be on the list, it does presuppose that the only Richard Shindell fans worth actually recognizing as such are the ones on this list. Not that I'm suggesting such a presupposition would be *wrong*. (kidding!) Encyclopedically yours (and, of course, with the help of the STAX archive), Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:11:17 -0500 From: Lisa Davis - home Subject: Re: [RS] Thanks for the info Not to mention the "ninth brigade" for which he cringed for a long time. Bill Chmelir wrote: > Hi, > Yah, I was on manuevers this weekend in Colorado and missed all of > your responses to my last post.. Yes, I was ignorant as to whether Pete > Seeger had served in the military. That's why I asked the question. > Thanks for the information. > > Also, yes it is possible that a Captain could be in charge or take > charge of a platoon. Infact Captains are in charge of several platoons > within their companies. But the Lieutenant, at least a good Lieutenant, > should have been the one to say to the Captain "Why The F are we > crossing at this point". I suppose the "Sargeant" in the song could > have been the 1st Sargeant and then it would make sense. Hey, if > someone else can be anal about phone boxes instead of phone booths (and > they were absolutely right about that one) then I can have my little pet > peeve also. > > Peace, > Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:51:00 -0500 From: Lisa Davis - home Subject: Re: [RS] Introducing Folk Superstar Joan Baez - Memory Lane (sorry) >Even if she was a bonafide "superstar", a contention that is arguable either way, she was one artist. Contention? See the following references to albums that went gold. I guess it's a generation thing. I think we heard "The Night THey Drove Old DIxie Down" on pop FM radio probably at least once a day from about 1971 to 1978. Followed by Diamonds and Rust. "Starting out in Boston, Baez first gained recognition at the 1959 Newport Folk Festival, then cut her debut album, Joan Baez (Oct. 1960) for Vanguard Records. It was made up of 13 traditional songs, some of them Child ballads, given near-definitive treatment. A moderate success on release, the album took off after the breakthrough of Joan Baez, Vol. 2 (Sep. 1961), and both albums became huge hits, as did Baez's third album, Joan Baez in Concert (Sep. 1962). Each album went gold and stayed in the bestseller charts more than two years. From 1962 to 1964, Baez was the popular face of folk music, headlining festivals and concert tours and singing at political events, including the August 1963 March on Washington. During this period, she began to champion the work of folk songwriter Bob Dylan, and gradually her repertoire moved from traditional material toward the socially conscious work of the emerging generation of '60s artists like him. Her albums of this period were Joan Baez in Concert, Part 2 (Nov. 1963) and Joan Baez/5 (Oct. 1964), which contained her cover of Phil Ochs' "There But for Fortune," a Top Ten hit in the U.K. Like other popular folk performers, Baez was affected by the changes in popular music wrought by the appearance of the Beatles in the U.S. in 1964 and Dylan's introduction of folk-rock in 1965, and she began to augment her simple acoustic guitar backing with other instruments, initially on Farewell Angelina (Oct. 1965). It was followed by a Christmas album, Noel (Oct. 1966), and Joan (Aug. 1967), albums on which she was accompanied by an orchestra conducted by Peter Schickele. Baez continued to experiment in the late '60s, releasing Baptism -- A Journey Through Our Time (Jun. 1968), in which she recited poetry, and Any Day Now (Dec. 1968), a double album of Dylan songs done with country backing, which went gold. In March 1968, Baez had married anti-war protest leader David Harris, who was imprisoned as a draft evader. Harris was a country music fan, and Baez's turn toward country, which continued on David's Album (Jun. 1969) and One Day at a Time (Mar. 1970), reflected his taste. Blessed Are... (Aug. 1971) was a gold-selling double album that spawned a gold Top Ten hit in Baez's cover of the Band's "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down." It was followed by Carry It On (Dec. 1971), the soundtrack to a documentary about Baez and Harris. Baez switched record-label affiliation to A&M Records with Come from the Shadows (May 1972), which moved her in a more pop direction. Where Are You Now, My Son? (May 1973) included sounds taped during Baez's visit to Hanoi in December 1972. In the late '60s and early '70s, Baez moved toward pop/rock music and also began to write her own songs, culminating in the gold-selling Diamonds & Rust (Apr. 1975), which was followed by the entirely self-written Gulf Winds (Oct. 1976). Baez moved to the Portrait label of CBS (now Sony) Records with Blowin' Away (Jun. 1977), but she left the label after Honest Lullaby (May 1979) and her next album, European Tour (1980), was released only outside the U.S. It was another seven years before she found an American record label, Gold Castle, for Recently (1987), which was followed by the live album Diamonds & Rust in the Bullring (Jan. 1989) and Speaking of Dreams (Oct. 1989). Baez moved to Virgin Records for Play Me Backwards (Aug. 1992). In 1993, Vanguard released Rare, Live & Classic, a three-CD boxed set retrospective. Ring Them Bells, a live album on which Baez was joined by musical descendants like Mary-Chapin Carpenter and Indigo Girls, came out on Guardian Records in 1995. Gone from Danger, her first studio album in five years, followed in 1997, and it was another six years before the release of Dark Chords on a Big Guitar in 2003.  William Ruhlmann, All Music Guide" (online) >There were no other "folksingers" that I can think of that achieved that status. Are you kidding? I mean surely you jest. BOB DYLAN?? Peter Paul & Mary? (back to pop radio there) Joni Mitchell?!! Judy Collins? Or do you think of them as "pop" -- it is a fine line, to be sure. another web quote: http://top40.about.com/od/70shits/ 1970... .#1 was "Bridge Over Troubled Water." NUMBER ONE. 1971: Top 100 Songs Joan Baez [The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down #20 - note Billboard says #3], Judy Collins [Amazing Grace #80] and some other folky groups scored hits this year, as well as Carole King, Janis Joplin and Al Green. Trivia question: what wigged-out rock band had hits #94 and #99 (hint: they sang the word "higher" on the Ed Sullivan show, even though requested not to .... [not to mention Cat Stevens] and back to the 60s. I can't resist. 1965: Top 100 Songs Suddenly, a fresh sound dominated the charts: the Rolling Stones, Herman's Hermits, the Byrds, Bob Dylan [#41: "Like a Rolling Stone"], the Moody Blues, the Yardbirds, the Turtles, the Zombies, the Lovin' Spoonful. Almost in the blink of an eye, the new rock style had come into full bloom. 1966: Top 100 Songs This year's #1 hit, "Ballad of the Green Berets," sung by Sgt. Barry Sadler, was a reflection of America's involvement in Vietnam. Elsewhere on the charts the new sound was going strong: "California Dreamin'" by the Mamas and the Papas, "We Can Work It Out" by the Beatles, "Wild Thing" by the Troggs, "Homeward Bound" by Simon and Garfunkel [they had hits #51, 54 and 59] and "Rainy Day Woman #12 and 35" by Bob Dylan [at #82]. [I noticed "Guantanamera" by the Sandpipers. ?? at #83] 1967: Top 100 Songs The Doors sang "Light My Fire" and things got a little freaky on the pop charts. 1967 saw hits by Strawberry Alarm Clock and the Electric Prunes. Trivia question: what 1967 hit by Jefferson Airplane explored the psychedelic drug experience? 1968: Top 100 Songs "Born to be wild," roared Steppenwolf, "I'm a love child," sang Diana Ross & the Supremes, "Do you know the way to San Jose?" asked Dionne Warwick. 1968 was a mixed bag, ranging from the characteristically late '60s sounds of Cream's "White Room" to the very square stylings of Bobby Goldsboro's "Honey," with hits by Aretha Franklin, the Bee Gees and plenty of Motown groups. [They forgot to mention "Mrs. Robinson" at #9][#89 Simon & Garfunkle "Scarborough Fair."] 1969: Top 100 Songs 1969 was the kind of year that even Elvis had a social concience, as in his hit "In The Ghetto." The year's sound was created by the Rolling Stones, Tommy James & the Shondells, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Creedence Clearwater Revival, FIfth Dimension, Bob Dylan and, of course, the Beatles. ["Lay Lady Lay" (Dylan) #52; #53 was Donovan and "Atlantis."] Sigh............. (1) why doesn't our top 100 list today look like these??? (2) it all went to hell starting in 1972. Why wasn't I born 10 years earlier, dammit? (3) oh yeah. We have Richard Shindell, anyway! Lisa Davis (b. 1960) (like Richard) ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V7 #49 **********************************