From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V7 #34 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Friday, February 4 2005 Volume 07 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Doctor My Eyes [RockinRonD@aol.com] [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? ["Bill Chmelir" ] Re: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] Re: Fixed tracks for torrent? [RG959@aol.com] Re: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? [Norman Johnson ] RE: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? ["Thomas J. Huot" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:30:28 EST From: RockinRonD@aol.com Subject: [RS] Doctor My Eyes Loved reading Morford's piece in the SF Gate. Thank you for that Susan. Makes me proud that I purposely didn't watch Bush's State of the Union last night. Four more long years. God help us all. RetchinRonD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:31:01 -0800 From: "Bill Chmelir" Subject: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? Hey all, Glad to read there are at least some "half full" thinkers here in considering to the Iraqi election. Vanessa and Norman, despite what Teddy "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy and John "Trophy Husband" Kerry might tell you, the situation in Iraq has very little in common with the war in Viet Nam other than both being wars. I can provide for you a list of the dissimilarities between the two if you like. Alan, if Iraq is just about oil, why didn't the US claim Kuwait for it's own after we liberated it from Saddam? Is it truly your opinion that freedom has nothing to do with why we are in Iraq? Sure the security situation there sucks right now. Personally, if I were an Iraqi I would be thankful for the opportunity to die on my feet fighting terrorists rather than live on my knees under Saddam. Waste Deep In The Big Muddy is a pretty catchy tune. As a world view it lacks vision for a better tomorrow for anyone living in oppression. Peace, Bill PS - I think Mark Morford should see about getting a course of rabbis shots ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:35:48 -0600 From: Subject: Re: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? Bill, Just when I can think about half agreeing with you on this point about finding some good in the Iraqi elections and their elation at being able to vote, you have to resort to name calling. What is up with that? Why does the conversation have to sink to that level? Joe > > From: "Bill Chmelir" > Date: 2005/02/03 Thu AM 11:31:01 CST > To: > Subject: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? > > Hey all, > > Glad to read there are at least some "half full" thinkers here in > considering to the Iraqi election. > > Vanessa and Norman, despite what Teddy "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy and John > "Trophy Husband" Kerry might tell you, the situation in Iraq has very little > in common with the war in Viet Nam other than both being wars. I can > provide for you a list of the dissimilarities between the two if you like. > > Alan, if Iraq is just about oil, why didn't the US claim Kuwait for it's own > after we liberated it from Saddam? Is it truly your opinion that freedom > has nothing to do with why we are in Iraq? Sure the security situation > there sucks right now. Personally, if I were an Iraqi I would be thankful > for the opportunity to die on my feet fighting terrorists rather than live > on my knees under Saddam. > > Waste Deep In The Big Muddy is a pretty catchy tune. As a world view it > lacks vision for a better tomorrow for anyone living in oppression. > > Peace, > Bill > > PS - I think Mark Morford should see about getting a course of rabbis shots ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:06:59 -0500 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? >> I think Mark Morford should see about getting a course of rabbis shots << Rabbis shot? Why are you bringing Israel into this? RG P.S. Hey, how about that Richard Shindell music, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:03:58 EST From: RG959@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: Fixed tracks for torrent? Does anyone at all on the list have the two tracks from the show that was being torrented that were the fix tracks? Could anyone reseed them please? Many thanks Randy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:28:29 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: Re: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? Bill, I would be happy to debate you but I ask that you refrain from insults. But I think Richard was right about the nastiness coming from the political right. Norman - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Chmelir" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? > Hey all, > > Glad to read there are at least some "half full" thinkers here in > considering to the Iraqi election. > > Vanessa and Norman, despite what Teddy "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy and John > "Trophy Husband" Kerry might tell you, the situation in Iraq has very little > in common with the war in Viet Nam other than both being wars. I can > provide for you a list of the dissimilarities between the two if you like. > > Alan, if Iraq is just about oil, why didn't the US claim Kuwait for it's own > after we liberated it from Saddam? Is it truly your opinion that freedom > has nothing to do with why we are in Iraq? Sure the security situation > there sucks right now. Personally, if I were an Iraqi I would be thankful > for the opportunity to die on my feet fighting terrorists rather than live > on my knees under Saddam. > > Waste Deep In The Big Muddy is a pretty catchy tune. As a world view it > lacks vision for a better tomorrow for anyone living in oppression. > > Peace, > Bill > > PS - I think Mark Morford should see about getting a course of rabbis shots ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:35:07 -0800 (PST) From: adam plunkett Subject: Re: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? Bill, Why post when all you want to do is flame and be mean? Didn't your mother tell you that if you have nothing constructive to say then say nothing at all? While I agree with most here that Bush is bad for the country(my opinion), I disagree from time to time with certain points but unless I feel I can say something constructive I won't post. Secondly, the tone of your post was not neccessary. Richard - the topic of this list - recently said that the conservatives have an angry tone which he disliked.....and your post embodied that conservative sentiment he spoke of exactly. Respectfully submitted, Adam - --- Bill Chmelir wrote: > Hey all, > > Glad to read there are at least some "half full" > thinkers here in > considering to the Iraqi election. > > Vanessa and Norman, despite what Teddy > "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy and John > "Trophy Husband" Kerry might tell you, the situation > in Iraq has very little > in common with the war in Viet Nam other than both > being wars. I can > provide for you a list of the dissimilarities > between the two if you like. > > Alan, if Iraq is just about oil, why didn't the US > claim Kuwait for it's own > after we liberated it from Saddam? Is it truly your > opinion that freedom > has nothing to do with why we are in Iraq? Sure the > security situation > there sucks right now. Personally, if I were an > Iraqi I would be thankful > for the opportunity to die on my feet fighting > terrorists rather than live > on my knees under Saddam. > > Waste Deep In The Big Muddy is a pretty catchy tune. > As a world view it > lacks vision for a better tomorrow for anyone living > in oppression. > > Peace, > Bill > > PS - I think Mark Morford should see about getting a > course of rabbis shots > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:54:22 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? Getting to the title of Bill's message, even if the water is haf clean rather than half muddy-- It doesn't matter if the water is too deep. With all the gear that the soldiers have, they can't swim. I do think Waist Deep in the Big Muddy is more than just a catchy tune and more than just being out Vietnam or Iraq. It's about the folly of arrogant leadership and blind, unquestioning obedience. "You might not want to draw conclusions, I'll leave that to yourself" Norman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:00:38 -0700 From: "Thomas J. Huot" Subject: RE: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? Unfortunately, the nastiness seems to be coming from both sides. I've done what I think I said I would never do, and that is to ignore it all and hope for the best. It's against my grain, but I feel helpless at the moment. We might as well face the facts, as I see them ... Until a third party comes along which is viable, we are going to be in a stalemate, which in my humble opinion is better than either side accomplishing anything. Does anyone else on this list feel the same as I do? I used to feel like what I said and voted for meant something. Not any more. Depressed in Santa Fe. _____________ Tom Huot tjhuot@comcast.net - -----Original Message----- From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Norman Johnson Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:28 PM To: shindell-list@smoe.org Subject: Re: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? Bill, I would be happy to debate you but I ask that you refrain from insults. But I think Richard was right about the nastiness coming from the political right. Norman - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Chmelir" To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: [RS] Half Clean or Half Muddy? > Hey all, > > Glad to read there are at least some "half full" thinkers here in > considering to the Iraqi election. > > Vanessa and Norman, despite what Teddy "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy and John > "Trophy Husband" Kerry might tell you, the situation in Iraq has very little > in common with the war in Viet Nam other than both being wars. I can > provide for you a list of the dissimilarities between the two if you like. > > Alan, if Iraq is just about oil, why didn't the US claim Kuwait for it's own > after we liberated it from Saddam? Is it truly your opinion that freedom > has nothing to do with why we are in Iraq? Sure the security situation > there sucks right now. Personally, if I were an Iraqi I would be thankful > for the opportunity to die on my feet fighting terrorists rather than live > on my knees under Saddam. > > Waste Deep In The Big Muddy is a pretty catchy tune. As a world view it > lacks vision for a better tomorrow for anyone living in oppression. > > Peace, > Bill > > PS - I think Mark Morford should see about getting a course of rabbis shots ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V7 #34 **********************************