From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V6 #248 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, November 7 2004 Volume 06 : Number 248 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [RS] Compromise [Lisa Davis - home ] [RS] Hello from Seatle [Bobdog25nj@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:27:18 -0500 From: Lisa Davis - home Subject: Re: [RS] Compromise >If the Democrats compromise, kiss the country goodbye. Bush in 2000 (after the election was decided) spoke of compromise and ran an-in-your-face agenda through Congress. Most democrats meekly compromised and compromised and compromised. Then came 9-11 and Bush talked of unity and let ran an in-your-face agenda. The democrats even more meekly compromised and got run over. It's like Charlie Brown and Lucy and the football. Norman i'm with Norman on this one. ANd it is possibly to NOT compromise but do it with a smile. Unfortunately the only solution would be a mass exodus from the populated NOrtheast/california to the rest of the country, infiltration and subversion! lisa davis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:53:07 -0500 From: Bobdog25nj@aol.com Subject: [RS] Hello from Seatle Hi ebeybuddy: Bob Paterson of New Jersey here - but logging in from Seattle. To my surprise, I actually managed to get onto AOL thru my brother's computer. Now I will find out if I can e-mail. As long as the "Christianity" thing - and the election - and the idea that Bush won cause Karl Rove got a bunch of evangelicals who didn't bother to vote in 2000, to actually vote in 2004 - I thought I would taka a shot at bringing Richard and Richard's music back into the discussion rather directly: Here's my version of a true story - please - if you are a Christian - and many of you are - be slow to take offense - as that is not my intention - and, as it happens, I think Christianity is a wonderful religion ( in the right hands) - though I don't happen to be one myself. I saw Richard at "The Outpost In The Burbs" - way back - second half of 90s I think - and he was playing in the small room there. It was a wonderful show - and very intimate as I was near the front and it is a small room. But the room itself is located in a church complex of buildings ( protestant - Congregational I think ) - and that is important to the story. Anyway - Richard began to talk about his life - and mentioned that he went to divinity school - and that he was gonna become a minister himself. He told the story about the summer he worked at the hospital as a "minister-in-training" or whatever - and how he mostly played cards with a lot of people and tried to make them feel a bit better. And then - he mentioned that he was studying Christian theology in a deep way - and ONE DAY - he suddenly realized that he no longer believed a single word. ( Now I am paraphrasing very broadly here - but I am not making this up. Basically - Richard was saying that in the course of attending divinty school - he lost his faith that Jesus Christ was the actual physical son of God. ) I don't remember exactly what he said after that - but it did involve his leaving divinity school. And then he launched into a song - maybe Mary Magdalene - maybe not. At the time - my jaw droped. I was both surprised at what he said - and I was especially surprised that he said it in a building connected to a church. But as a former Christian myself - I related. Basically, the same thing happened to me - except it was altar boys and not divinty school. There was no audible gasp from the crowd - and the "Outpost" concerts happen in a church building complex - but there is no direct religious connection - and as far as I know - none of the ministers from the church even attend the concerts in the small room. Anyway - it was an odd moment - it made ME more of a Richard fan - and I hope none of you will be turned off by my retelling of the story. I am sure Richard did not mean what he said as a critism of Christians - but more as a comment about the time in his life when he experieneced a loss of faith. Still - if you look at some of his songs - Mary Magdalene - I think you can see the mind of a man who once attended divinity school - and then left. Just something I thought I would post. Don't tell anybody - cause if the new "Christian Right" majority starts rounding people up - I wouldn't want them to get Richard. Doesn't matter with me - I am already toast. I must be on one of there lists somewhere. ( A joke). see ya... Bob P. ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V6 #248 ***********************************