From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V6 #241 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, November 4 2004 Volume 06 : Number 241 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] KKK ["Paul Mepschen" ] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V6 #239 [Jennifer Coia ] [RS] politics [Patience9@aol.com] RE: [RS] politics ["Kristen Myshrall" ] [RS] 'My Uncle' Sam [Gerry Evans ] [RS] America [B Gallagher ] [RS] America [Norman Johnson ] Re: [RS] America [Vanessa Wills ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:05:23 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: [RS] KKK The people who have put the KKK back in office are the evangelical fucken Christians, am I right? Who are against abortion, homosexual sex and birth control. Who hence breed little evangelical shitheads like hell. It's a conundrum. You will have to start a civil war. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:34:19 -0500 From: Jennifer Coia Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V6 #239 On Thursday, November 4, 2004, at 12:34 AM, shindell-list-digest wrote: > It bothers me when some more > liberal (and I lean to Liberal) people label it a tragedy; it was an > attack. Yes, Bart, it was an attack. I live here (nyc) too. On that note, can you imagine how the city of Bagdah felt when we got done (oh, wait, we're still not done) with it. Sept 11 was a shocking and sad moment in history BUT let us not forget that other nations have suffered FAR WORSE at our hands. I wonder if in Baghdad, they sell photos of all the buildings we destroyed with their flag waving across the photo? Please don't take my tone wrong, it was an awful moment in time, but I sometimes understand how people can want to "miimalize" it to a tragedy-level attack when it's put up against other attacks in history. There's never an excuse to lose 2000 lives at once. But 9/11 has grossly outweighed the Oklahoma City Bombings in our sentimentality, yet that was done by one of our citizens. I think people think because he is dead, it won't happen again. But with this kind of government, breeding this sort of hatred, something is bound to happen either internally or otherwise. I guess my point is, it makes me a little nauseous on how much this date is sentimentalized by people. I see the souvenir stands every day. I cannot believe people buy those photos. I cannot believe people buy the tee shirts. We've probably lost 1100 soldiers now in Iraq. It is the attacking country's responsibility to keep track of enemy casualites, but once again we have failed to keep our responsibility and haven't done that, but aide groups have estimated that their loss is approx 10x ours. 10,000 Iraqis (and counting) Ithink, Bart, this is when people start to put 9/11 into perspective. I think you can put it into perspective and still feel how painful it was. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:55:31 -0600 From: "kunigunda" Subject: Re: [RS] America Yow! This is an adamant list! I don't think the situation is as desperate as some of these emails imply, however this nation is not at a good point in its life...and I, too, am a bit frightened. I really don't think Kerry would be able to pull us out of the mess. The separation of parties is frightening - we now have haters, not just dislikers. The haters love to hate, to the point they would prefer to see the opposition fail rather than work to attain country cohesiveness. Somehow I got stuck in the middle, leaning a bit to the conservative side as far as policies go. I can see pros and cons on both sides. My confession: the personalities of the candidates would not let me vote for either ....I voted liberatarian (libertarian?) So much for my vote...and my convictions. I believe the reasons people voted for Bush were wrong and the reasons people didn't vote for Kerry were right. So when do you think Civil War II will begin? (Among other calamities). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:48:55 EST From: Patience9@aol.com Subject: [RS] politics You feel that way because you supported Kerry, Who is a divorced Roman Catholic. So even his church doesn't want him...lol I dont' think abortion rights is a popular platform either. Let alone that crazy woman he is married to. I dont' think political discussion has any place on this list. But you have another chance in 4 years with Juliani or Hiliary Clinton. What is killing me is the reports from the exit polls that say the number one factor for Bush supporters was Moral Values. I have one question: Since when has going to war and killing people under false pretense a Moral action? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:58:11 -0500 From: "Kristen Myshrall" Subject: RE: [RS] politics > I dont' think political discussion has any place on this list. Now this is beginning to sound like the Lucy-list. I think politics most definitely have a place on this list. How many songs does Richard have that involve politics in some form....quite a few thanks :)I think Richard would be happy that we're using this list to discuss political issues that are important to us. - -Kristen _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:15:51 -0800 (PST) From: Gerry Evans Subject: [RS] 'My Uncle' Sam I don't suppose for a minute conscription's going to happen any time soon but whoever mentioned heading for Canada reminded me of this Parsons/Hillman song by the Burrito Bros....as a parent of two teenage sons Vancouver might just be my kind of town too... "A letter came today from the draft board With trembling hands I read the questionnaire It asked me questions about my mama and papa Now that ain't what I call exactly fair So I'm heading for the nearest foreign border Vancouver might be just my kind of town 'Cause they don't need the kind of law and order That tends to keep a good man underground A sad old soldier once told me a story About a battlefield that he was on He said a man should never fight for glory He must know what is right and what is wrong Now, I don't know how much I owe my uncle But I suspect it's more than I can pay He's asking me to sign a three-year contract I guess I'll catch the first bus out today" The other song that I found myself listening to yesterday was Jackson Browne's 'Lives in the Balance'....OK, a different conflict in a different decade under a different regime but it's the same "men in the shadows" who are "never the ones to fight or to die". "On the radio talk shows and the T.V. You hear one thing again and again How the U.S.A. stands for freedom And we come to the aid of a friend But who are the ones that we call our friends-- These governments killing their own? Or the people who finally can't take any more And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone There are lives in the balance There are people under fire There are children at the cannons And there is blood on the wire They sell us the President the same way They sell us our clothes and our cars They sell us every thing from youth to religion The same time they sell us our wars I want to know who the men in the shadows are I want to hear somebody asking them why They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are But they're never the ones to fight or to die And there are lives in the balance There are people under fire There are children at the cannons And there is blood on the wire" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 13:16:28 -0500 From: B Gallagher Subject: [RS] America I just re-read what I wrote late last night and want to make clear that I voted for Mr. Kerry. When I wrote, "It's just over half of us that voted for the Bushman, and for many it was a hard choice, I don't want to think that the gulf between we Americans is all that vast.", I meant US as all voting Americans. The NY Times has some scary articles about Bush payback and the Right Conservative agenda. Thanks, Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:46:31 -0500 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] America My candidates for President have lost more than they have won. In fact, the first time I voted, my candidate lost 49 states. But when Ronald Reagan won, when George Bush the elder won, when George W Bush won in 2000, I did not feel that the country was completely falling apart. This time, I am scared.... very scared. Norman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:20:18 -0500 From: Vanessa Wills Subject: Re: [RS] America Absolutely. I and the people I know have been at the point of tears since the moment Kerry conceded that election. This morning one of my friends and I embraced one another and held each other tightly, attempting to console one another at least some small amount. I honestly feel that the dark night is falling. The good thing is that I've been talking to people, and there are many who want to get active and try to drive back that night. - --Vanessa On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:46:31 -0500, Norman Johnson wrote: > My candidates for President have lost more than they have won. In fact, the first time I voted, my candidate lost 49 states. > > But when Ronald Reagan won, when George Bush the elder won, when George W Bush won in 2000, I did not feel that the country was completely falling apart. > > This time, I am scared.... very scared. > > Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V6 #241 ***********************************