From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V6 #69 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Saturday, April 3 2004 Volume 06 : Number 069 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] You could look it up (Casey Stengel) ["Gene Frey" ] [RS] Suzanne (Leonard Cohen) [OzWoman321@aol.com] [RS] The Wizard of Is (Joni Mitchell) [OzWoman321@aol.com] Re: [RS] Suzanne (Leonard Cohen) [Vanessa C Wills ] Re: [RS] Willy Porter [Chris Foxwell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 07:21:03 -0500 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] You could look it up (Casey Stengel) Hey you guys, Ron wrote: >>Literally had never heard the song . . . in ANY of what I've learned from >>Google are many versions: the original, Jennifer Warnes, Tori Amos . . . >><< As much as I use Google for other things, the way to do this sort of research is by using the All Music Guide, at www.allmusic.com. You can select an artist, writer or song, and it will show virtually every version of it out there. So, you could serch for Leonard Cohen, page down to the 'Songs Appear on' area, then see all of the albums on which his songs appear, including around two dozen versions of 'Suzanne.' Gene F. _________________________________________________________________ Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&pgmarket=en-us&ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:46:31 GMT From: ptpowerlists@juno.com Subject: [RS] Re: You could look it up (Casey Stengel) Gene wrote: >>As much as I use Google for other things, the way to do this sort of research is by using the All Music Guide, at www.allmusic.com. You can select an artist, writer or song, and it will show virtually every version of it out there. So, you could serch for Leonard Cohen, page down to the 'Songs Appear on' area, then see all of the albums on which his songs appear, including around two dozen versions of 'Suzanne.<< A song to which Cohen doesn't own the publiching rights, by the way. From the liner notes to "The Best Of Leonard Cohen ": "I wrote this in 1966, Suzanne had a room on a waterfront sheet in the port of Montreal. Everything happened just as it was put down. She was the wife of a man I knew. Her hospitality was immaculate. Some months later, I sang it to Judy Collins over the telephone. The publishing rights pilfered in New York City but it is probably appropriate that I don't own this song. Just the other day I heard some people singing it on a ship in the Caspian Sea." 1994 BBC Radio Interview: "The song was begun, and the chord pattern was developed, before a woman's name entered the song. And I knew it was a song about Montreal, it seemed to come out of that landscape that I loved very much in Montreal, which was the harbour, and the waterfront, and the sailors' church there, called Notre Dame de Bon Secour, which stood out over the river, and I knew that there're ships going by, I knew that there was a harbour, I knew that there was Our Lady of the Harbour, which was the virgin on the church which stretched out her arms towards the seamen, and you can climb up to the tower and look out over the river, so the song came from that vision, from that view of the river. "At a certain point, I bumped into Suzanne Vaillancourt, who was the wife of a friend of mine, they were a stunning couple around Montreal at the time, physically stunning, both of them, a handsome man and woman, everyone was in love with Suzanne Vaillancourt, and every woman was in love with Armand Vaillancourt. But there was no... well, there was thought, but there was no possibility, one would not allow oneself to think of toiling at the seduction of Armand Vaillancourt's wife. First of all he was a friend, and second of all as a couple they were inviolate, you just didn't intrude into that kind of shared glory that they manifested. I bumped into her one evening, and she invited me down to her place near the river. She had a loft, at a time when lofts were... the word wasn't used. She had a space in a warehouse down there, and she invited me down, and I went with her, and she served me Constant Comment tea, which has little bits of oranges in it. And the boats were going by, and I touched her perfect body with my mind, because there was no other opportunity. There was no other way that you could touch her perfect body under those circumstances. So she provided the name in the song." Pat ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:22:42 -0600 From: "McGuire, John" Subject: [RS] Willy Porter Willy Porter Fan #2 here, checkin' in. Anyone going to see Willy will be in for a real treat-- he is a phenomenal artist, and "You Stay Here" is one of his very very few covers. I first heard him play it a few yrs ago, in Milwaukee, where he lives, and where I drive up from Chicago too many times a year. At first, I was just listening, and didnt immediately recognize the song, and then when it set in, I was like.... "oh goodness! A Shindell cover-- oh my!!" and I started doing my little "happy dance" (not to worry, my happy dance is completely invisible to others). On Willy's CD, High Wire Live, he is joined by Martin Barre. Last I heard, they are touring together, with Martin opening up for Willy, and joining him later on. Should be a good show, if they are in your neck of the woods! [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:42:22 EST From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: [RS] Suzanne (Leonard Cohen) Hello, All - Regarding the song Suzanne, Pat shared the words of Leonard Cohen: << "I wrote this in 1966, Suzanne had a room on a waterfront sheet in the port of Montreal. Everything happened just as it was put down. ... and she served me Constant Comment tea, which has little bits of oranges in it. >> It's been noted on the Joni Mitchell list that her song "The Wizard of Is" was musically inspired by (some say copied from) Cohen's "Suzanne". It is well-known that Joni and Leonard were linked early in Joni's career - in a video interview, Joni cited Leonard as an influence, and commented how much she had admired Suzanne as a song. Joni's song, although unavailable commercially, was recorded from her White Swan Club appearance in Leicester England (September '67) and can be found on various bootlegs, including the Second Fret Sessions and another compilation of similar gems (http://www.jonimitchell.com/Unreleased.html) that never saw "the light of day" (check out Eastern Rain - wow) - e-me for details... :-) P.S. Can't believe I never figured out that "tea with oranges" was Constant Comment, which I drank all through my college years - well, that and tequila... though never in combination! Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com http://www.horseofadifferentcolorbooking.com "...A beautiful racket in whispers and roars, the bitter and sweet, between the truces and the wars, the noise and the quiet, the courage and the fear, and all of the wisdom between a smile and a tear..." ~ Mary Chapin Carpenter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:05:05 EST From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: [RS] The Wizard of Is (Joni Mitchell) Hello, All - Regarding "The Wizard of Is", I just posted: << Joni's song, although unavailable commercially, was recorded from her White Swan Club appearance in Leicester England (September '67) and can be found on various bootlegs, including the Second Fret Sessions >> Correction, please - the bootleg on which "The Wizard of Is" appears is *not* Second Fret Sessions but The Couriers Folk Club, The White Swan, Leicester UK, September 1967... Apologies for the error - so much music, limited brain cells! Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com http://www.horseofadifferentcolorbooking.com "...A beautiful racket in whispers and roars, the bitter and sweet, between the truces and the wars, the noise and the quiet, the courage and the fear, and all of the wisdom between a smile and a tear..." ~ Mary Chapin Carpenter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:04:39 -0500 (EST) From: Vanessa C Wills Subject: Re: [RS] Suzanne (Leonard Cohen) You know, it's impossible to figure out just from hearing the song what the relevant noun clause is there. "Tea and oranges that come all the way from China" or "oranges that came all the way from China"? I think it reads more naturally the second way, and that's how I always understood it until reading your enlightening post. :) Possibly you'd been hearing it that way all along, too (in which case you'd have no reason to make a connection with Constant Comment)? - --V On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 OzWoman321@aol.com wrote: > P.S. Can't believe I never figured out that "tea with oranges" was Constant > Comment, which I drank all through my college years - well, that and > tequila... though never in combination! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:19:54 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] Willy Porter Yup, another Willy Porter fan here. When "High Wire" was first released, I posted to this listserver, practically raving about Willy and suggesting that everyone go out and buy the album. Willy is an incredible musician, he's an absolute wizard on the guitar, and he is very funny and personable. (I saw him in concert a few months ago, it was great.) He's a great songwriter, too; "Unconditional" and "Angry Words" are masterpieces. I like his cover of "You Stay Here", it's quite faithful while being Willy's own distinct take. - --Chris ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V6 #69 **********************************