From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V5 #164 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Sunday, August 3 2003 Volume 05 : Number 164 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Spelling 101 [ptpowerlists@juno.com] [RS] Re: "Fishing" / New CD [JMoorehous@aol.com] [RS] "On A Sea Of Fleur-de-Lis" [ptpowerlists@juno.com] Re: [RS] "Fishing" / New CD [Rongrittz@aol.com] Re: [RS] "On A Sea Of Fleur-de-Lis" [Chris Foxwell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 00:10:00 GMT From: ptpowerlists@juno.com Subject: [RS] Spelling 101 From the past week: whipperwill Wippoorwill Whipporwhill Okay gang . . . We're going to be hearing this song a lot over the next few months as well as on the imminent CD so let's get it right . . . Whippoorwill Two of everything but the 'h' and the 'r'. Pat ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:29:52 EDT From: JMoorehous@aol.com Subject: [RS] Re: "Fishing" / New CD > The details of Richard's writing are what makes him a genius in my mind, > and in "Fishing", it is the way in which the INS agent says "campesino". > Agreed, and of course the guy also says, "I'll bet you Indians can really reel them in," which does some of the same work--showing the gross cultural insensitivity of someone whose job it is to work with (read: deport) people of another culture. And as long as we're talking about Fishing, I might as well mention that it's my personal favorite of Richard's songs. There are no songs of his that I can't bear, but I agree with the earlier poster about the "Hey Doc, how about a refill" line, and I've never been a fan of Courier. And I find it interesting that the first song of his that I ever really loved--On a Sea of Fleur de Lys--almost never gets mentioned in any context on this list; I guess it doesn't particularly move most people? Joe Moorehouse ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 00:51:37 GMT From: ptpowerlists@juno.com Subject: [RS] "On A Sea Of Fleur-de-Lis" Joe wrote: >>And I find it interesting that the first song of his that I ever really loved--On a Sea of Fleur de Lys--almost never gets mentioned in any context on this list; I guess it doesn't particularly move most people?<< Actually, I'd bet that "On A Sea Of Fleur-de-Lis" has been discussed rather widely in previous times. These lists tend (eventually) to be cyclical . . . it just hasn't come around lately. I agree, though, that it's an amazing song; the trouble is -- and I think I speak for a lot of people here -- that we don't really know why we like it so much. The lyrics are so thick with vagueness that it's really difficult to *articulate* why it's such a great song. It's one of the only songs of Richard's that I play on a regular basis (with an audience or not). 'Whippoorwill', 'Last Fare' and 'Che Guevara' are likely to change that, though. Pat ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:22:34 EDT From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] "Fishing" / New CD << I'm of a mind that "I Am" *might* make it on the record, but that it's not likely; It's my guess that "Before You Go" won't be included. >> Hmmm. I'd tend to agree that "Before You Go" might not make it, since it's already available in a recorded version. And that's the reason that I'd think that "I Am" WILL make it, since it's NOT available elsewhere. And also, now that I think about it, I'm wondering if "Farewell to St. Dolores" might be held for the upcoming Dave Carter tribute CD. Maybe he'd consider including a studio version of "Sonora's Death Row." RG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:10:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Foxwell Subject: Re: [RS] "On A Sea Of Fleur-de-Lis" > I agree, though, that it's an amazing song; the trouble is -- and I > think I speak for a lot of people here -- that we don't really know > why we like it so much. The lyrics are so thick with vagueness that > it's really difficult to *articulate* why it's such a great song. This is a good point. I'm sure we've all seen Shindell's description of the song as a mystery, something that he can't/doesn't want to explain. I have my own analysis of the song, which seems coherent to me and works to make it a powerful song for me, but I'm certain that it isn't the only "match". A lot of the vagueness of the song owes to its reliance on early Christian beliefs and concerns to express the narrator's yearning. The song packs a pretty powerful punch, and makes a lot of sense, when the listener bears this in mind. Or so I believe, at any rate; far be it from me to categorically define such a layered song. (My now ex-girlfriend, who introduced me to Shindell and who is a brilliant medieval scholar-in-training, explained to me some of the imagery used in the song, and I made my own conclusions from there.) I'd be happy to elaborate if anyone is interested. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 22:15:14 -0400 From: "Gene Frey" Subject: [RS] What do Richard, Joe Montana, Alaska, and Ron Guidry have in common? Hey you guys, Answer: The number 49. With all the talk about the new CD, I haven't seen it mentioned that Richard publicly stated that he is targeting the release of the new CD for February. I just hope he meant February, 2004. Aargh. If it is indeed released in February, it will be 49 months since the release of Somewhere Near Paterson, his last original studio work. One would hope there are more than 10 or 11 songs on the new disc. By the way, the public statement came during an excellent interview on WUMB Thursday. The interviewer, Marilyn Rea Beyer, really seemed to know Richard's music, and referenced a lot of his old work in relation to the new stuff. I missed it at noon, but stayed up to catch the rebroadcast at midnight. He played four songs, all new - Che Guevara T-Shirt, Grey/Green, Marching to Fenario and So Says the Whippoorwill. There was a lot of talk about Dave Carter, and a lot about the new CD. He is using some musicians from Argentina, and some from the US. He noted that a track for 'Fenario' was being recorded in Argentina while he was up in Boston. I set up an elaborate Rube Goldberg system to record the interview, using two computers, headphones, cable splitters, and an old egg beater, but Real Player freaked out on me at the end, and, quoth Charlie Brown, I got a rock. Oh well, at least I heard it. Besides, if he had done Last Fare of the Day and I missed it I think I would have become physically ill. That song gets stuck in my brain and refuses to get out. Meanwhile, Pat, whose version of 'The Weather' at the Camp Dar Camp song circle (4:15 AM Sunday) was a highlight of the weekend for me, Funk and Wagnalled: >>We're going to be hearing this song a lot over the next few months as well as on the imminent CD so let's get it right . . . Whippoorwill << As much as I hate the use of initials as shorthand for song and CD titles, I think we can be excused for using SSTW in this case. Or else someone needs to keep count of the various (mis)spellings over the next few months. I'll set the over/under at 7. I know I've personally been responsible for two or three, and I just heard the damn thing last weekend. Gene F. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:57:41 -0700 From: "Sandra J. Smith" Subject: [RS] Re: "Fishing" / New CD > > The details of Richard's writing are what makes him a genius in my mind, >> and in "Fishing", it is the way in which the INS agent says "campesino". >> > >Agreed, and of course the guy also says, "I'll bet you Indians can really >reel them in," which does some of the same work--showing the gross cultural >insensitivity of someone whose job it is to work with (read: deport) people of >another culture. I always heard it as "I bet you, in the end, can really reel them in." Your version makes more sense, though. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 02:45:39 -0400 From: Norman Johnson Subject: [RS] Happy birthday Richard! Sunday, August 3rd is Richard's birthday. Happy birthday Richard and many more. Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V5 #164 ***********************************