From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V5 #84 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, April 10 2003 Volume 05 : Number 084 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: Absolutely Brilliant??? [Graham Gudgin Subject: [RS] Re: Absolutely Brilliant??? Bill rejoiced: >What a fantastic day! To see Iraqis in the streets of Baghdad (Is that a >new open tuning?) cheering on American Marines pulling down statues of >Saddam Hussein. and >So I hope you all will raise a glass with me after work today and drink to >the coming freedom for the citizens of Iraq and to America doing a very >noble thing. US  Dead (in combat) - 81**  Wounded - 172  Missing - 10  Dead (non-combat) - 15 UK  Dead (in combat) - 8  Wounded - 74  Dead (non-combat) - 22 IRAQ  Dead (military) - 2,320#  Dead (civilian) - 1,252*  Wounded (civilian) - 5,103* * = Minimum Iraqi estimates as of April 3 ** = Figure does not include unconfirmed toll from US bombing of convoy south of Mosul on April 6 # = US military estimates relating only to fighting in or near Baghdad. No other figures available. Non-combat is defined as accidents, US or British fire killing/wounding their own troops or other incidents unrelated to fighting. So yes, the sooner this is all over, the better. Graham. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:55:54 EDT From: TRNMT@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] which will it be? I have been hesitant about commenting on this subject; I am probably in the minority of conservative-types on this and other lists to which I belong. However, while I believe that people who have been repressed, imprisoned, tortured and killed should be liberated from whatever heinous leadership they have had to endure, I would prefer to stick to the music. The Darlist is just about recovering from a bunch of political fallout, and I have always looked to *this* group as a haven from that stuff. I can only think of one time when someone posted a really inappropriate thing here, and it seemed that by and large, we ignored it. True, I'm not much of a poster here (or anywhere for that matter anymore), but the discussion that goes on tends to be intelligent, civil and informative. Did I mention civil? We'll keep it that way, right? For the sake of Richard content ... I CAN'T FIND MY 3 X 2 SAMPLER !!!! Reunion Hill found its way back into my car CD player because I wanted to hear "The Weather" again (being painfully deprived at the Knitting Factory in such a downpour) and listening to the album version of Beyond the Iron Gates made me desperate to hear the 3x2 version. It has probably fallen behind the stereo system and will require a flashlight and yardstick to retrieve. Did anyone here see Richard and Lucy K in Easton, MD, last week? My sister and I had entertained the notion of a road trip, but in the end, I just wasn't up to it. I love that theatre. Oh well ... in a perfect world, I would be at the Turning Point tonight for Tracy Grammer, but instead I'm going to the supermarket to buy essentials for my daughter's band trip to Baltimore tomorrow.... Nancy In a message dated 4/9/03 6:50:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vcw1+@pitt.edu writes: > Personally, I found the e-mail sent at 2:51 p.m. today to be wildly > inappropriate for this list on a number of levels. I'd just as soon ignore > it completely. > > --Vanessa > > On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Norman Johnson wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > Which do you want? Can we discuss politics on the Shindell list or not? > > > > Norman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:11:18 EDT From: SMOKEY596@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Re: Absolutely Brilliant??? Whether this post is "appropriate" for this space is not for me to say. I'm not the moderator. But I sure do agree with it. SMOKEY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:19:28 -0400 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Absolutely Brilliant!!! Bill Chmelir wrote: >Is there a Shindell concert tonight? If there is, can someone post his comments on this great news? I'm sure, at least I hope, that even "Progressives" can rejoice in this great news! Thanks. Sorry Bill -- Richard drank ostentatiously his Evian and took particular and specific exception to your remark "shut up and play." Leaving politics aside, one way or another, you really must admit that Richard is NOTEWORTHY for expressing any "political" observations in the most oblique way possible. He used to joke that he was criticized when playing "Things That I have seen," his inaugural "anti-war" song, as being not anti-war "enough." Yet he has consistently portrayed the human side of conflicts and refrained from mere polemic. Tonight at New Haven's Center Church on the Green the line-up features "I Am," Lucy sang her 9/11 song, also "Che Guevara T-Shirt" with reference to "with this evidence they could hold hm there forever," Somewhere Near Paterson," and a particularly stunning rendition of Reunion Hill. I used to like the "slow" version less, but this was so careful, deliberate, beautifully played, poignant, and once again, SO understated. In typically subtle fashion, I believe his choice of songs was making a point about the sorrows of war, the loss of loved ones. Let's not forget the sad irony in "Sparrow's Point" when he is 2 days west of Normandy --- the unspoken assumption being that the narrator might have died in the attack. You don't hear Richard singing songs about wars really being for oil vs. liberation, etc. etc. And he just isn't interested in writing about the Big Players, the Heros, the Villains. What you get are the oblique comments, "they always have money for floods," "I am the passing peace." Observations, not slogans. This too means that one need never listen to Richard and squirm with embarassment over some excessively simplistic, knee-jerk approach. I rather suspect that the whole Evian thing derives as much from the stupidity of knee-jerk "France-bashing" as anything else. So Bill I hope you will concede that if anyone deserves credit for sensitivity and fairness when approaching the very appropriate role of politics and commentary in folk music, it is Richard. He's the last person to accuse of a kind of automatic liberal blindness. Besides, he met his wife in Paris when she was studying at the Sorbonne! Keeping relatively on-topic, I won't comment on your other remarks on today's events, other than to say that many people have pointed out that the "celebrations" are in somewhat limited locales and meanwhile, the hospitals are overwhelmed with wounded and dying. While this is not a conclusion, it does suggest that even for those "rejoicing" there is still much to lament. Lisa Davis sans trailer ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V5 #84 **********************************