From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V5 #76 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, April 3 2003 Volume 05 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] got mine too... [Jim Colbert ] Re: [RS] got mine too... [ThisWasPompeii@aol.com] [RS] art and politics ["paul mepschen" ] Re: [RS] Dissent ["Pamela Calegari" ] [RS] folk music and politics [Jim Colbert ] [RS] protest song [Jim Colbert ] [RS] and then, some people play guitar like a lotta folk do [Jim Colbert ] Re: [RS] RS's guitars. ["Rob Knautz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:09:35 -0500 From: Jim Colbert Subject: [RS] got mine too... > Here's what I know about "I Got Mine": Richard learned it from an old > Rounder Records lp entitled "Some People Who Play Guitar Like A Lot Of > People Don't." It's long out of print, not available on CD, and if you EVER > find a copy buy it, no matter the price. It's got some stunning guitar work > on it by guys like Roy Bookbinder, Woody Mann (I think), Rev. Gary Davis, > and others. A great album. I think Roy Bookbinder does "I Got Mine." Richard > has been playing this one for years, but usually on the living room couch. > It wasn't on Kicking Mule? Mine is actually on the Kicking Mule Europe label, if I recall correctly, which I think Stefan Grossman was kind of running for a while. Incidentally, Fantasy records owns the rights to the kicking mule stuff, from what I've read. jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:28:40 EST From: ThisWasPompeii@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] got mine too... LP: Some People Who Play Guitar Like a Lot of People Don't Copyright 1974 Kicking Mule Side 1 Stefan Grossman Tell Me Baby Woody Mann Good Gal Old Devil Crosstown Blues Roy Bookbinder Bad Luck Blues Larry Sandberg Delta Swing Side 2 Roy Bookbinder I Got Mine Bye Bye Baby Blues Rev. Gary Davis Swinging Blues Darktown Strutter's Ball Woody Mann Who's Been Here Stefan Grossman Good Morning Little Schoolgirl Donna http://www.ovca.net/Garden/garden.cfm?page=6 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 23:31:05 +0200 From: "paul mepschen" Subject: [RS] art and politics The politics vs music thread comes up on every single list I've ever been on. And it has for years. Now, why is that? Bill and Tom want musicians to shut up and sing - but the thing is that art (music, in this case) and politics can't be seen as seperate from eachother - they have always been and will always be entangled. People who think that politics should be left to politicians ignore the complex ways normal or average people behave politically every day. I don't see how anyone can listen to Richard's music without acknowledging that 'progressive' politics are central to his personal outlook and musical musings - that, at least, has been my reading of his work. In that, he stands in a great tradition of North American folk music - that has strong roots in the labor movement and the peace/protest movement of the sixties. Of course Richard thinks Bush is an idiot... and of course Richard is opposed to this war - 97% of the worldpopulation is. Paul 'the world's not falling apart' --dar williams-- 'the path of least resistance is what makes the river crooked makes it serpentine capitalism is the devil's wet dream' --ani difranco-- _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:44:30 -0800 From: "Pamela Calegari" Subject: Re: [RS] Dissent >> I say shut up and play. Bill << So, Bill, are you saying you're A-OK with listening to Richard's point of view, but only as long as it appears in the form of song? You will allow him to "talk the talk" but not "walk the walk?" It is abundantly clear that Richard has been a pacifist for a long time. For me, it is the songs, the stories, the whole person that I go to see live. I would be sorely disappointed if I were to see live the likes of Joan Baez, Bob Dillon, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, etc... to hear them sing songs of dissent without them trying to involve the audience in critical thinking. I have known many who would not see the above artists or even listen to their music because of their political views. I am grateful they had that choice. Shut up and play???? I feel so sad reading those words. You paid to see Richard Shindell, period. It is his show, his prose, his beliefs, whatever. You made a choice, if you were displeased, you have the freedom to stay home next time. I 'm sure you're seat won't be hard to fill. Pam (a Vietnam Vet & Veteran of Desert Storm) "Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal." - -- Martin Luther King, Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:45:32 -0500 From: Jim Colbert Subject: [RS] folk music and politics > I've been biting my tongue quite often lately when people have posted > disparaging comments about our Commander in Chief, like these recent posts: > __________________ > Jim Colbert wrote: > > Now if we think really hard, maybe we can stop the rain. No rain, no rain, > no rain... (sorry, having a Woodstock moment. Just watched woodstock diary on > trio or bravo or something...) keep off the towers... > Uh, has no one else ever heard the Woodstock (69, not that other one) soundtrack? Geez, it was just a joke, certainly not intended to get anyone's drawers in a bunch, and I'm sorry if it did. Serving your country and defending your beliefs is an admirable thing, and not something I would ever make fun of. (Okay, well, I did used to make fun of my ex-father in law for having been a marine, but that was different. He wasn't quite right in the head, as my grandma would have said. And he in turn made fun of me for being a designer and "coloring all day." But I digress.) I admit, I am not a Bush fan, but regardless of who the C.I.C is or what party they are from, I refuse to be of the mindset that will blindly follow and support any decision he makes simply because he is the president. Now, I may agree or I may not- and he certainly doesn't have an easy job, and I couldn't do it- but I like to learn the facts and make informed decisions for myself. But still, the plain fact here is, that post was intended to be more poking fun at Country Joe and the Fish and the signs of the times, 60's vs. 90's. "the Fish cheer," y'know? I do find that, I personally, am often more aware of politics and "causes," for want of a better term, because of folk music, but, hey, that's just me. (Man, where's Phil Ochs when we need him...) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:14:43 -0500 From: Jim Colbert Subject: [RS] protest song Apropos of nothing, a quote I learned here on the list that I always enjoyed: "Its a protest song.... A protest song is a song that you don't hear on the radio." - -Ochs (right, Norman? Or was that Howie that originally shared that... I'm too lazy to check the archives...) - -jpc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:28:59 -0500 From: Jim Colbert Subject: [RS] and then, some people play guitar like a lotta folk do Wow, does anyone find it odd that there were that many of us that had, or knew of, the vinyl record some people play guitar...? I miss Kicking Mule records. For the pickers among us, it's worth noting that, there were tab books for a lot of their releases available for those who wanted to learn the tunes. I'm sure they're still out there somewhere. At the time, I didn't play, but I always thought that was kinda neat. KM also used to reward frequent shoppers with a free record of their choice at Christmas time ever year. Course, I've also encountered folks who listened to Crack the Sky here, so I guess I ain't surprised after all... - -jim now listening to John Denver, actually... quit laffin'! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:21:32 -0600 From: "Rob Knautz" Subject: Re: [RS] RS's guitars. Hi Ron, I have a couple of questions...the first/main one being can these be shipped? If so, is the D-15, the one Richard has been playing recently? Are the electronics like a Martin332 or something? My D-15 is my main guitar, but I don't want to put a hole in it for the electronics so I end up playing my 000-1R or my brother's Taylor when I need amplification. What's he looking get for it? Thanks Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:33 PM Subject: [RS] RS's guitars. > Richard is indeed looking to divest himself of a portion of his guitar collection. He has indicated that he'd be much happier if they wound up in the hands of folks who appreciate both guitars *and* his music. So in case any of the pickers on this list might be interested, he's looking to find homes for the following: > > 1998 Martin SP-00016: Bought this one for the CryCryCry tour. Spruce top, mahogany back and sides. Electronics. > > 2000 CFox Custom. Cedar top, I think the back and sides are rosewood. This is the one on which the headstock broke, but it's being repaired. Fishman electronics. > > 2000 Martin D15: Solid mahogany. I've played this one, and it's got a great neck and a wonderful warm sound. Electronics. > > 2001 Gibson WM-45: He played this the other night at The Knitting Factory. It's a beauty with great sound. Spruce top, mahogany back and sides. Electronics. > > He's not looking to make a killing on this stuff, just would like to get what they're worth. So, if you're interested in knowing more about any of 'em, shoot me a line. > > I really hope some of you folks take advantage of this, because if you don't, I'M gonna have to buy them, and I need another guitar just about as much as, oh, RICHARD needs another guitar. > > Thanks. > > RG ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V5 #76 **********************************