From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V5 #75 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, April 3 2003 Volume 05 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re: [RS] war and more [] [RS] Re: titles and Gaiman [Elizabeth ] Re: [RS] Re: titles and Gaiman [Rongrittz@aol.com] [RS] I Got Mine ["scott shindell" ] Re: [RS] I Got Mine [ThisWasPompeii@aol.com] [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V5 #74 ["mlmarmer" ] [RS] Dissent ["Bill Chmelir" ] Re: [RS] Dissent [ThisWasPompeii@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 7:02:49 -0600 From: Subject: Re: Re: [RS] war and more In the "good old days" the musicians always expressed their opinions about war (see "sixities folk/rock protest songs"). Joe > > From: Tom Huot > Date: 2003/04/02 Wed PM 08:42:20 CST > To: Shindell List > Subject: Re: [RS] war and more > > Hello fellow list members: > It would be nice to just get to a concert and > enjoy the music. Ah! The good old days! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:48:17 -0800 (PST) From: Elizabeth Subject: [RS] Re: titles and Gaiman Norman wrote: > "Darkness Darkness" is a cover of a Jesse Colin > Young song. It appears on Reunion Hill. Thanks! That's the one RS album I don't have yet. > I don't know "I got mine". It sounded old and vaguely familiar. A story about a craps game. > >> "Our existence deforms the universe. > *That's* responsibility."--Neil Gaiman<< > > Is that from _American Gods_?? :-) No, Sandman. Quoth Delirium to Morpheus in The Kindly Ones. But I've decided to change my sig file after listening to Blue Divide, which I bought at the show. ===== Elizabeth ~~~ "She will fly the flag of nowhere Hidden with the ribbons in her hair And anywhere she goes she knows it's always there Never far away from nowhere" - --Richard Shindell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:09:49 -0500 From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Re: titles and Gaiman >> It sounded old and vaguely familiar. A story about a craps game. << Sort of a rag-timey song by Roy Bookbinder . . . RG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:13:23 -0500 From: "scott shindell" Subject: [RS] I Got Mine Here's what I know about "I Got Mine": Richard learned it from an old Rounder Records lp entitled "Some People Who Play Guitar Like A Lot Of People Don't." It's long out of print, not available on CD, and if you EVER find a copy buy it, no matter the price. It's got some stunning guitar work on it by guys like Roy Bookbinder, Woody Mann (I think), Rev. Gary Davis, and others. A great album. I think Roy Bookbinder does "I Got Mine." Richard has been playing this one for years, but usually on the living room couch. Scott _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:14:32 EST From: ThisWasPompeii@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] I Got Mine In a message dated 04/03/2003 10:14:16 AM Central Standard Time, sshindell@hotmail.com writes: > Here's what I know about "I Got Mine": Richard learned it from an old > Rounder Records lp entitled "Some People Who Play Guitar Like A Lot Of > People Don't." It's long out of print, not available on CD, and if you EVER > > find a copy buy it, no matter the price. It's got some stunning guitar work > > on it by guys like Roy Bookbinder, Woody Mann (I think), Rev. Gary Davis, > and others. A great album. I think Roy Bookbinder does "I Got Mine." Scott is right. "Some People Who Play Guitar Like a Lot of People Don't" is a doozy. I have it on LP. Another great one on vinyl: John Nicholas & Friends "Too Many Bad Habits." The latter has a few pops on it from so much use, but "Some People Who Play Guitar Like a Lot of People Don't" is a replacement copy (we wore out the first one, and we were afraid to play the second one) so it's in good condition. I'm happy to share. Donna http://www.ovca.net/Garden/garden.cfm?page=6 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:29:27 -0500 From: "mlmarmer" Subject: [RS] Re: shindell-list-digest V5 #74 I saw the mention of HEM and I don't mean to turn this into a HEM discussion on the Shindell list, but go to their website at www.rabbitsongs.com, title of their only CD, and read how they got started. Really interesting how the main person, got into debt, for the CD and the control of how he wanted it produced and how they got the lady lead vocal, with her wonderful voice. But they need to put a new CD, as this only CD is 4 years old. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:19:28 -0700 From: "Bill Chmelir" Subject: [RS] Dissent Georgette, I wrote: "We can best support the troops by supporting their mission. The reality is that their road home leads through Baghdad" as a retort, without embellishment, to the twice posted by Lisa Davis' "Support the troops by bringing them home alive, NOW Stop the war". If you folks continue to post slogans that I disagree with when all I would like to do is discuss and read about Shindell's music, I'm going to respond. Georgette, you say if that's the way I feel, then that's what I should do. That is how I feel, and so yes, that is what I am going to do. I've served 12 years and will be stepping up my commitment to our country and our freedom when I attend Army Helicopter Flight Training in July. I've been biting my tongue quite often lately when people have posted disparaging comments about our Commander in Chief, like these recent posts: __________________ Jim Colbert wrote: Now if we think really hard, maybe we can stop the rain. No rain, no rain, no rain... (sorry, having a Woodstock moment. Just watched woodstock diary on trio or bravo or something...) keep off the towers... somewhere near delirium ...and it's one two three what're we fighting' for another Bush got another war... Mike wrote: I think they said that this was the last show of a two week tour. He also thanked George W. Bush for being the one man who brought Richard and his father together in agreement after a lifetime of being on the opposite sides of issues. Richard said that his father agreed that Bush was an idiot. SMOKEY included: "There's a huge trust. I see it all the time when people come up to me and say, 'I don't want you to let me down again.'" -GW Bush, Boston, MA, 10/3/00 ____________________________ I wasn't on this list in 1999 when our Air Force was bombing Kosovo without UN approval. Were folks throwing around anti-war slogans and bashing President Clinton back then? Are these kinds of statements really necessary? Do they really have all that much to do with Shindell's music? It seems to me that when posts are made from an obviously politically left perspective, no one bats an eye or says "hey guys, wait a sec. We don't want to get political. Look at what has happened to these other lists". It's only when Bonnie was critical of Richard for making his Evian comment that someone wrote "maybe we shouldn't talk about the war". Then Adam wrote to Bonnie that her post was "well-written but also don't we believe in free speech and the right to dissent?". Well guess what? In this case Bonnie is the bold dissenter given that she posted her statement on Richard's list - a venue more likely to be sympathetic to Richard's statement than her own - while Richard made his statement in front of a partisan crowd. On the Richard Shindell List, the person that critiques Richard politically or that makes a statement that isn't straight down the Democratic Party Line is the one making the dissenting statement. So what do your guys want? Do you want to talk folk music or politics? Are they too closely related to separate? If that is the case then that answers Tom's question "Why can't I just go to a concert and hear music rather than hear about some artists politics?" I agree. I say shut up and play. Bill - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:36:16 EST From: ThisWasPompeii@aol.com Subject: Re: [RS] Dissent Here's an excerpt from an interview with one of my favorite poets, A.R. Ammons. In the midst of war and its explanations both pro and con, here's to the inexplicable and indefinable. I've always thought Richard's songs did a good job of taking us there. Donna http://www.ovca.net/Garde n/garden.cfm?page=6 Q: I've always wanted to ask you if you believe in things that are mysterious and inexplicable, because of your interest in science. (Ammons has a BS in biology.) Do you believe in things that can't be explained...can't be explained by our senses, and can't be explained by science...such as God...or ghosts...or an afterlife? Ammons: Why, I think that all things are inexplicable. I think that explanation is a kind of definition or use of the mind which is so limiting in itself, that what it clarifies always is a small aspect of any given thing, so the explanation never, you notice, never becomes complete. We're never satisfied with the explanation. And I think one of the great potentialities of poetry is that while it moves on the surface with image and color and motion and sense, it develops not an exposition finally, but a disposition, that is the whole poem is finally there. Once the whole poem is there, you can't blurt it out in a single syllable. It seems to me that what art does, and what explanation can't do, is it stops. The poem ends. And at that point, it becomes a construct, a disposition rather than an exposition, and it is silent at that point and indefinable. And this cures us of the fragmentation that words have imposed on us from the beginning. You see, by the use of words and sentences and sense, we're able to break down a silent world into certain clear things to say about it. But then we need to be rescued from the fragmentation we've made of the world, and we do that by art, by putting these motions back together and actually reaching the indefinable again. At that point it may be that the poem turns into feeling or to impressions or suggestions or hints or intuition, but anyway, it's not a piece of knowledge that you put in books, but something you encounter, something you live with as if it were another person, as you come back again and again to a piece of sculpture and just stand there...and be with it. When we get to that point in a poem, where we be with it rather than ask what it means or explain how it got there, then we are back with the indefinable; we are restored to ourselves, and feeling can move through us again. ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V5 #75 **********************************