From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #248 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Thursday, August 29 2002 Volume 04 : Number 248 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] gotta speak whacha know ["Rabbi Lea Gavrieli" ] Re: [RS] gotta speak whacha know ["Susan Koval" ] [none] ["Jerry Gillespie" ] [RS] The Garden of Eden [brokenthings ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:00:57 -0400 From: "Rabbi Lea Gavrieli" Subject: [RS] gotta speak whacha know Friends, I'm afraid that what began as my open honest responses to Lisa's candid questions may indvertently be causing unnecessary animosity on the list. 1) no matter what his current faith is, (and that is between himself and the Omnipresent), Richard does use a Christian-influenced vocabulary in some of his songs. This is not wrong, in fact it is purely right - he is putting himself out there for all of us to see. 2) this does NOT mean that I think that he is proseletyzing or intending to do so, his imagery is Christian as a function of who he is as much as my songs, (I should be so lucky!), would undoubtedly carry Jewish overtones, or minimally old testament references in them. No problem there at all. 3) I'll repeat what I said at the beginning of the thread, usually I am completely unfazed by this, but at one particular concert, a cluster of songs that were particularly heavy in christian imagery began to make me uncomfortable. I still love him, and will still go to see the concerts, and I don't even think he made a mistake in his set list, it just made me feel a little differently toward his body of work as a whole. Ultimately, as with other singer-songwriters I know, Richard addresses many issues of faith, loss of faith, struggling with theodicy, etc which are close to a clergy-person's heart. I don't think the source or intent of the imagery is worth insulting each other over. 4) There are plenty of people of many faiths who think they've got it "all figured out", this may well be a theology that works for them,...until something happens in their life which brings the whole thing down. Most of us, of all faiths, are frequently questioning. we may have periods of calm, where the question of faith isn't a big part of what we're working on just now, but ultimately, we do struggle, and though that may not seem to be terribly stable, it is the best we've got, we take it on faith, sometimes, and sometimes we don't. let's not be tearing each other down over this, ok? Lea Gavrieli ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:02:36 -0400 From: "Susan Koval" Subject: Re: [RS] gotta speak whacha know >worth insulting each other over >let's not be tearing each other down over this Hey Lea, If someone hadn't read the prior threads I think they'd get the wrong impression from these comments - I think the discussion has been pretty reasonable so far and people have responded rationally to other's comments. That's pretty much standard for the Richard list. Sue K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:58:03 -0400 From: "Jerry Gillespie" Subject: [none] "Imagine no possessions It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too" - ---John Lennon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:01:52 -0400 From: brokenthings Subject: [RS] The Garden of Eden ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #248 ***********************************