From: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org (shindell-list-digest) To: shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Subject: shindell-list-digest V4 #245 Reply-To: shindell-list@smoe.org Sender: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-shindell-list-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk shindell-list-digest Tuesday, August 27 2002 Volume 04 : Number 245 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [RS] Re: Christian Imagery [ptpower@juno.com] [RS] Losing My Religion ["Norman A. Johnson" ] Re: [RS] Losing My Religion [Lisa Davis & family ] [RS] Losing My Religion ["Norman A. Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:23:45 GMT From: ptpower@juno.com Subject: [RS] Re: Christian Imagery adam plunkett wrote: I am 22 years old and have been in catholic education since i was 14. I am not Catholic. The main problem, to me, is an idea of rightness. To most Catholics and Christians is an idea that they have figured it all out. And they press this belief on others. I like Richard's music because it is religious on a non-denominational sense. Yes, its clear what his religion is but we don't have any down your throat songwriters.<< then Joe wrote: >>Adam: I'm 50 years old, Catholic and NOT fiercely religious, but do know that you have not talked to "most" Catholics to ascertain that they have "figured it all out". Like most religions, we believe what we believe. Catholics lately have had their faith severely tested and I would guess that most of them do not believe that they have it all figured out, quite the contrary. Its too bad that at 22 you have seen enough of the world to make sweeping statements about very large groups of people, like all Catholics.<< Not only was it way off base to generalize about Catholics (I went to Catholic schools for twelve years and about the only Catholics that were the types to impress their beliefs on me were the nuns and priests), but to claim that it's "clear" what Richard's religion is when he himself claims to not *have* any religion is also a bit far-reaching. Pat ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:23:28 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Losing My Religion Pat wrote: >> but to claim that it's "clear" what Richard's religion is when he himself claims to not *have* any religion is also a bit far-reaching.<< Isn't Richard a lapsed agnostic Buddhist for Christ? ;) Norman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:56:19 -0400 From: Lisa Davis & family Subject: Re: [RS] Losing My Religion Well I think that was my point; he makes the joke but then to someoneelse it sounds "clear" that he is something different! If you're going to be a llapsed agnostic Buddha for Christ you ought to come out and sing it!:) :) I think/hope "next best western" is the quintessential statement of his state of mindhalf-empty and "I Am" of his mindhalf-ful. Sorry about my dicey keyboard. Lisa Davis "Norman A. Johnson" wrote: > > Pat wrote: > > >> but to claim that it's "clear" what Richard's religion is when he > himself claims to not *have* any religion is also a bit far-reaching.<< > > Isn't Richard a lapsed agnostic Buddhist for Christ? ;) > > Norman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:03:43 -0400 From: "Norman A. Johnson" Subject: [RS] Losing My Religion Lisa Davis: >>If you're going to be a llapsed agnostic Buddha for Christ you ought to come out and sing it!:) :) I think/hope "next best western" is the quintessential statement of his state of mindhalf-empty and "I Am" of his mindhalf-ful. << I was being flippant before but I don't think we are going to get an explict statement from Richard about his current position on religion. As for differences b/w "Next Best Western" and "I am", those are his songs. They don't necessarily reflect Richard's personal views. Just as he's not Mary Magdalen, nor a teenaged civil war deserting drummer boy, nor a Civil War widow pining for her husband, etc. Actually, the only song where the overt Christian imagery bothers me is "Smiling". Norman ------------------------------ End of shindell-list-digest V4 #245 ***********************************